Now is certainly the time to pray for the victims and families of the Las Vegas shooting, but this must be just a start.

Because of the lethargy produced by America’s ongoing stream of gun violence, only such a massacre wakes up our society enough to seriously consider possible remedies. A common argument against any form of “gun control” is the false one that “our Second Amendment rights are under attack.” Actually, the Second Amendment right to bear arms is already limited. For example, this right does not include fully automatic weapons or missiles. Banning another weapon or adding a purchase qualification is simply redefining the already-existing limit, not violating the right itself.

Although the Las Vegas shooter added bump stocks, he actually fired semiautomatic guns, the type used in past massacres such as Sandy Hook and Virginia Tech. How wrong it was to end the federal ban on selling military-style semiautomatic assault weapons to civilians. They have no justifiable use in hunting or self-defense.

It’s too late to eliminate those already in circulation, but the further sale of such weapons will only increase the chances for more mass shootings. With the current proposal to legalize silencers, a future sniper could produce even more victims. The person may pull the trigger, but his particular gun does the actual killing and produces the amount of slaughter.

Scientific American has just published a report on 30 reliable studies that refute the claim that “more guns will make us safer." Statistics show that towns where more citizens have guns actually experience more gun violence than less-heavily armed towns. Interestingly, most of the gun injuries and deaths under analysis have come from causes such as crime, accidents and suicide — but only rarely from self-defense. Above all else, discussion and action are needed now.

Norman Oswald

Roseburg

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Rise722

There are enough gun laws now to supposedly "fix" all of these problems - are they working? So, I would conclude that adding more gun laws will do the same....

Jonah Hirsh

"Banning another weapon or adding a purchase qualification is simply redefining the already-existing limit, not violating the right itself."

This argument is fatally flawed, and is the philosophy embraced by all Democrats, particularly the left wing of the party.

Using this premise, no constitutional limitation on government power is safe from usurpation.

Not in America, buster. That isn't the way we do things here.

Mogie

Why not enforce universal back ground checks and keep people who have mental problems from owing guns? Someone drove into a crowd of people should be therefore ban autos? People make bombs out of fertilizer used for farming should we outlaw all fertilizer? Maybe we need to focus on the unstable segment of society instead.

jim5893

Re: "report on 30 reliable studies that refute the claim that more guns will make us safer'...If they didn't "make us safer" the carnage would be everywhere. Gun sales have soared over the last 8 years of the Obama administration and gun homicides have been decreasing since 1993 to about 11,000 per year and with an estimated 109 million gun owners with 400 million guns and billions or trillions of rounds of ammunition - if legal gun owners were a problem, you would know it.

jim5893

Re: " gun injuries and deaths...come from causes such as crime, accidents and suicide — but only rarely from self-defense"... Guns have 4 uses - deterrence, intimidation, control and lethal force and only the latter causes injury or death which is likely to be acknowledged and documented. In the other 3 uses, many occurrences probably are never reported. This is substantiated by a government sponsored study commissioned by the Obama administration after the Sandy Cook killings in an unsuccessful attempt to justify more gun restrictions. On page 16 of the study “Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-related Violence” it estimates the defensive gun uses at somewhere between 108,000 to 3 million per year” in contrast to about 11000 gun homicides per year which includes those that are accidental or justified.

jim5893

Re: " gun injuries and deaths...come from causes such as crime, accidents and suicide — but only rarely from self-defense"... Guns have 4 uses - deterrence, intimidation, control and lethal force and only the latter causes injury or death which is likely to be acknowledged and documented. In the other 3 uses, many occurrences probably are never reported. This is substantiated by a government sponsored study commissioned by the Obama administration after the Sandy Cook killings in an unsuccessful attempt to justify more gun restrictions. On page 16 of the study “Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-related Violence” it estimates the defensive gun uses at somewhere between 108,000 to 3 million per year” in contrast to about 11000 gun homicides per year which includes those that are accidental or justified.

jim5893

Re: "report on 30 reliable studies that refute the claim that more guns will make us safer'

If they didn't "make us safer" the carnage would be everywhere. Gun sales have soared over the last 8 years of the Obama administration and gun homicides have been decreasing since 1993 to about 11,000 per year currently and with an estimated 109 million gun owners with 400 million guns and billions or trillions of rounds of ammunition - if legal gun owners were a problem, you would know it.

jim5893

Re: " With the current proposal to legalize silencers, a future sniper could produce even more victims"...Silencers do not repeal the laws of physics and work like they do on TV. They do not significantly affect a bullet's velocity hence any bullet that exceeds the speed of sound when exiting a gun barrel, which is most rifle rounds, will break the sound barrier and create a loud, sonic boom. An unsuppressed (i.e. without a silencer) AR-15 has sound pressure level (SPL) at the shooter of 165 dB. The threshold of pain per OSHA is lower at 140 dB which is the amount of noise a fighter jet in afterburner makes at 50 feet when taking off from an aircraft carrier. A suppressed AR-15 has an SPL at the shooter of 132 dB which is 16 times more intense and a little over twice as loud as a commercial jet at full throttle taking off at a distance of 200 feet (120 dB) so the sound of "suppressed" gunfire would be loud and detectable

jim5893

Re: "They have no justifiable use in hunting or self-defense"

The Second Amendment is not about hunting, target shooting or home defense. Its purpose is clearly stated in the preamble to the Bill of Rights - specifically “The convention of a number of states having at the time of their adopting of the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse, of its powers that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added”. Note that when the Second Amendment was written, every weapon was a weapon of war, there were no restrictions on the private ownership of weapons and the militia was equally matched with the regulars. After all, if they weren’t equally matched, it would be pretty hard to deter or prevent a “misconstruction or abuse, of the government’s powers” - so in reality, the citizen militia of today should have the same firearms as the current US military. Unfortunately we are no longer equally matched because we have let our gun rights be eroded by buying into this notion if we just compromise to accommodate the people who - for whatever reason - don’t like guns they will quit trying to take away our gun rights. The problem is history has shown that no matter how much we compromise, it’s never enough so we need to stop compromising.

Forester353

Take a look at the towns sited in the studies and list them for us to see. My bet without even looking at the studies say that the list will include cities that have some of the strictest gun laws and controlled by liberal administrations..... If you were take away guns from common citizens, the mentally ill will use other methods. Read the news and see the stats for car/truck bombs, vehicular assaults, etc. As long as we ignore mental illness and allow deviant behavior without serious consequence there will continue to be mass casualties from some source.

bohica48

Concur 100%!

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