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The Douglas County COVID-19 Response Team is reporting 128 new positive and nine presumptive cases of the coronavirus, as well as a significant bump in the percentage of county residents who have completed or at least begun the vaccination process, according to Wednesday’s report.

In past weeks, only vaccination doses issued through from state had been tracked among Oregon counties’ vaccination status by population, while federally provided doses — most specifically on tribal lands and at veterans care facilities — had been excluded.

As of Tuesday, the Oregon ALERT IIS tracking system updated that federal dosage data with local data, which provided a near 12% jump in Douglas County residents who have at least started the vaccination process.

The new ALERT IIS chart added 14,642 uncounted federally provided doses to Douglas County’s vaccination chart, which increased the county’s partial vaccination rate for all county residents age 18 and older to an estimated 72.5%. The additional federal vaccines added for Douglas County were nearly equal to the rest of Oregon’s 36 counties combined.

“For many weeks, we have endured repeated questions from the public and media about, ‘Why we were so far behind?’ the county said in its Wednesday report. “This new report clears up the discrepancy and provides the validation of our actual vaccination data we have been waiting for since the beginning of the vaccine rollout.”

Umatilla (9,022) and Jefferson counties (4,768) also saw sizable increases in the addition of federal doses administered. However, for Douglas County to reach its goal of having 80% of residents 18 and older fully vaccinated, there are still an estimated 6,932 residents who would need to start the vaccination process, which on the county’s daily average would take another 254 days. according to data from ALERT IIS.

As for the county’s most recent cases, there were 128 new confirmed positive COVID-19 tests and nine presumptive positives. Two deaths were reported while one was rescinded as it was inadvertently reported twice by Oregon Vital Records.

The two new deaths included a 52-year-old man who was fully vaccinated and a 76-year-old man who was unvaccinated.

A total of 22 county residents were hospitalized due to complications from the coronavirus, 19 locally and three out of the area. At CHI Mercy Medical Center, the past week saw an average of five COVID-19 patients in the intensive care unit and three in the progressive care unit.

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kaydee44

Many Children Hospitalized With COVID-19 Are Admitted for Another Reason: CDC Director

“It’s winter, and this is a winter virus, and this Omicron is particularly contagious, so I think you were going to see an increase anyway,” Dr. Paul Offit, a vaccine expert at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, told “Today” earlier this week. Offit similarly noted that many children have tested positive for COVID-19 without showing any symptoms.

“We test anybody who’s admitted to the hospital for whatever reason to see whether or not they have COVID, and we’re definitely seeing an increase in cases. However, we’re really not seeing an increase in children who are hospitalized for COVID or in the intensive care unit for COVID,” Offit said.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/many-children-hospitalized-with-covid-19-are-admitted-for-another-reason-cdc-director_4183699.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=imctgm01

mworden

Help me out here, folks. Is there a new article about yesterday's commissioners' report and omicron being detected locally? Is it somewhere here and I'm missing

it? (That's happened before.) Please point me in the correct direction.

Mike

Nope. That's old news to the News-Review and apparently not worth reporting on. Just move along, nothing to see here.

CitizenJoe

I see nothing. As of yesterday, body count was steady at 315.

melrosereader

May I suggest that the N-R increase its diligence in monitoring articles, LTEs and comments about COVID.

An article in today's Washington Post, "The omicron surge could be the worst public health challenge of our lifetimes," explains why.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/12/30/omicron-variant-challenges-covid/

mworden

[thumbup]agreed, melrosereader

kaydee44

Yep, more censorship. Less information. It's all for freedom, isn't it melrose reader.

And who really reads the Washington Post?

CitizenJoe

I do, every day. And so do millions of people. Ditto the NYT.

kaydee44

I would have never guessed....

SkeensWA

[thumbup]

melrosereader

Not taking your bait, kaydee. You can keep trying though, if it makes you feel good.

kaydee44

Looks like you just took the bait to me. Not taking the bait means to ignore the bait...not telegraph to the fisherman that you are not taking the bait. :)

kaydee44

Mike, where is the hypocrisy on me getting the vaccination. I got it early on in March 2020. I got it because I was in a vulnerable class...ie old. It is giving the vaccine to healthy children that I am skeptical of. I am wondering if the risks of the vaccine, of which many have surfaced, are greater or lesser than a healthy child contracting covid.

Everything doesn't fit in a neat little box, Mike. Try a little critical thinking with all of the facts presented.

PS News Review, I see no reason why you should have deleted my last two comments.

Mike

Not only are you a hypocrite Kaydee, you are also dishonest. For weeks now you've been citing debunked conspiracy theories against vaccinations. Your claiming your stance only applies to children vaccinations is just a new wrinkle and certainly dishonest. NUMEROUS commentors have called out your hypocrisy before vaccination of children was even a discussion topic and now I am calling out your overall dishonesty.

CitizenJoe

kaydee44,

You write, "I am wondering if the risks of the vaccine, of which many have surfaced, are greater or lesser than a healthy child contracting covid."

Let me help.

The benefits of the vaccine far outweigh the risks.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/children-teens.html

CitizenJoe

p.s., kaydee,

You write, "PS News Review, I see no reason why you should have deleted my last two comments."

I can help with that, too. It's because the comments contained false information and suggestions that are dangerous.

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mworden

Robert Malone claims to be the inventor of the mRNA vaccine. He is not.

He is now 61 years old and when he was a 28 year old graduate student, he injected DNA and RNA into the cells of mice, hoping to invent a new kind of vaccine. He wrote papers about it in 1989 and 1990. That was more than 30 years ago.

He never developed a vaccine out of his early work. He is not the inventor of the vaccines being used, or of any mRNA vaccines, even though he falsely takes the credit. Kudos to him for thinking of injecting mice with DNA and RNA in the 1980s when he was a student. Boo on him for taking full credit for being the inventor of a vaccine he didn't work on.

Mike

2,313 new Covid cases were reported by the Oregon Health Authority (below link). That is the highest number of cases reported in Oregon since September 10th. The record is 3,191 new cases reported on August 27th.

https://www.oregon.gov/oha/covid19/Documents/DataReports/Oregon-COVID-19-Update-12-29-2021-FINAL.pdf

Mike

42 states reported over 1,000 new Covid cases today. An all-time high number of states to report over 1,000 cases on the same day. Expect even more tomorrow.

The number of people vaccinated in Douglas County yesterday more than doubled from the day before. Those supposedly tight held political beliefs melt away in the face of a new Covid surge.

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Mike

During a recent interview, Dr. Malone expressed bitterness that may provide an insight into his ego issues within the scientific community.

“I’ve been written out of history,” Dr. Malone tells me “It’s all about Kati.”

By Kati he means Dr. Katalin Kariko who has been also described as a pioneer of mRNA vaccines and is now a senior vice president at BioNTech, the manufacturer of Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine. According to Dr. Kariko, “Hundreds and thousands of scientists, experts contributed to the creation of the mRNA vaccine.”

https://www.codastory.com/newsletters/scientists-anti-vaccine/

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Mike

Dr. Robert Malone, an American researcher who in the late 1980s (over 35 years ago) contributed to the development of mRNA vaccines, the technology used in the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 shots, describes himself as "the original inventor of mRNA vaccination." In reality, many other scientists have been involved in the process for decades SINCE Dr. Malone's most recent involvement.

The article goes on to debunk EACH of Dr. Malone's claims by expert child disease scientists and physicians.

https://www.boomlive.in/world/fake-news-robert-malone-covid-19-vaccine-harmful-children-16179

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Mike

Twitter on Wednesday suspended account of Dr. Robert Malone. The US based virologist and immunologist claims to be the inventor of mRNA technology.

https://www.latestly.com/socially/world/twitter-suspends-us-virologist-dr-robert-malones-account-3204043.html

Mike

The News-Review published the following misinformation headline in their delivered newspaper on December 23;

"County Vaccine Rate Hits 72.5%."

Yet, all Oregon Health Authority data and TODAY’s County Commissioner press release (below link) contradicts that by indicating;

“The percent of the ENTIRE population in Douglas County who are fully vaccinated (as calculated by the CDC) is 50.8%”

There is no longer any mention by the County Commissioners that Douglas County’s vaccination rate is 72.5%. The big question now is whether the News-Review will publish a headline retraction from their previous misleading and misinformation headline that has now been PROVEN wrong so county residents know how truly unvaccinated Douglas County is. FAILURE to do so may cost lives.

https://douglascounty-oregon.us/DocumentCenter/View/20587/12-29-21-Douglas-County-COVID-19-Weekly-Update

Mike

I've submitted the following Letter to the Editor at the News-Review today:

The News-Review published Douglas County vaccination numbers that are untrue. On December 23, the News-Review claimed in their headline that, "County Vaccine Rate Hits 72.5%." Yet sources (Oregon Health, Center for Disease Control) that track county vaccinations indicate only 50.8% of Douglas County is fully vaccinated on December 29. Even our County Commissioners press release issued on December 29 states 50.8%.

By publishing such misinformation, the News-Review misleads residents into believing Douglas County is closer to its mythical Herd Immunity than we really are. Resident on the cusp of finally getting vaccinated may have decided it was unnecessary for them or their children because we’ve falsely achieved Herd Immunity. If so, the misinformation published by the News-Review could lead to further avoidable deaths.

The News-Review needs to publish a front page retraction and correction to the misinformation it published on December 23, two days before Christmas.

SkeensWA

The NR should do the right thing — but will not. More people should cancel their NR subscription!

Mike

Record number of deaths in Oregon in 2021.

Oregon surpassed its previous record for total annual deaths - a record that was set just last year. Oregon recorded 40,226 resident deaths in 2020 and is on track to tally 44,000 to 45,000 deaths in 2021, according to preliminary Oregon Health Authority data.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/record-number-of-deaths-in-washington-oregon-in-2021/ar-AASfdKG?li=BBnbfcL

kaydee44

Statistics on covid hospitalizations in children with the fear mongering.

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2021/12/29/nbc-news-announces-surge-in-child-covid-hospitalizations-but-n438162

mworden

Glad to know concern about pediatric patients looks like fear mongering to you. Interesting!

"Across the country, more than 2,100 children are currently hospitalized with confirmed or suspected cases of COVID-19 -- up by approximately 800 pediatric patients, compared to just a month ago, according to federal data."

bcnews.go.com/Health/pediatric-covid-19-case-rates-hospitalizations-fire-amid/story?id=81955322

In New York: "There were 70 pediatric admissions among 0- to 18-year-olds beginning the week of Dec. 5 statewide (22 of those in New York City). Then 184 children statewide (109 of them in New York City) were hospitalized for the partial week ending Dec. 23, before the holiday. Data for the full week would be released at a later date."

https://www.fox5ny.com/news/children-with-covid-increases-five-fold-in-new-york-city

Mike

How proud will you be Kaydee if Douglas County children die because their parents believe your post declaring children Covid hospitalizations is fear mongering and decide NOT to have their children vaccinated?

How confident are you that your post is not more of your misinformation and debunked conspiracy theory BS? Did you actually search for more than one source before posting this comment? After all, the source link you provided is from HOT AIR, which is described (below link) as “a conservative American political blog,” owned by the Salem Media Group, a conservative radio broadcasting company that provides programming targeted at audiences interested in religious issues. Not exactly a mainstream media.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Air

Jazz Shaw, the author of the source link you provided, claims in his bio that he “is a heretical, Northeastern former RINO and the weekend editor at HotAir.com He can be reached at jazzshaw@gmail.com.” Not what I would call an unbiased source.

http://bonddad.blogspot.com/2016/03/jazz-shaw-dear-god-but-economic-stupid.html

kaydee44

And do you call yourself an unbiased source? And how will you feel, Mike, if these untested, unproven, and unreliable vaccines cause permanent damage to children? There's no hurry to vaccinate healthy kids. They are basically more affected by the flue than by covid. Quit scaring the people.

Mike

The difference between you and I is YOU are a hypocrite.

I believe in the vaccine and the good it can do, which is why I got vaccinated.

Meanwhile, you admit to being vaccinated, yet are trying to scare others from sharing the same protection you already received. What a hypocrite.

Mike

Sen. Heard acted irresponsibly.

https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/2021/12/readers-respond-sen-heard-acted-irresponsibly.html

CitizenJoe

Mike: that is an understatement.

In 1982, a British Airways 747 flew into a cloud of volcanic ash near Indonesia. All four engines stopped. The plane fell 25,000 feet.

The captain: "Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. We have a small problem. All four engines have stopped. We are doing our damnedest to get them going again. I trust you are not in too much distress."

That volcano was a gassy menace. Reminds me of a certain Oregon State Senator.

Mike

Actually, that is the headline published by Oregonlive about Douglas County's representative.

kaydee44

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fauci-said-masks-were-not-really-effective-at-blocking-virus-emails-reveal/ar-AAKDKsP

Mike

Oregon reported 1,880 new Covid cases today, the most since September 29th.

https://www.oregon.gov/oha/covid19/Documents/DataReports/Oregon-COVID-19-Update-12-28-2021-FINAL.pdf

Mike

Washington state reports record number of COVID infections.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/washington-state-reports-record-number-of-covid-infections/ar-AASdAtp?li=BBnbfcL

mworden

Pediatric units filling up with omicron patients. 4-fold increase.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/27/health/covid-kids-hospitals/index.html

https://www.foxnews.com/health/covid-19-nyc-4-fold-increase-children-hospitalized

kaydee44

There are no numbers in the article you referenced besides 4-fold etc. 4 fold of what? An ABC article dated today says there are about 2000 kids across the country hospitalized with covid. There are about 74.1 million kids. So .0027% of our kids are hospitalized with covid. It's worth noting. But the way it is put contributes to fear mongering...not providing actual statistical data.

CitizenJoe

kaydee44: mworden cited two articles. The first (Fox) is insubstantial fluff, as I'd expect. The second, from CNN is a bit richer in numbers. Over a thousand kids under 17 have died of COVID-19 in this country, and a lot more will over the next year. Even among survivors, there are (and will be) long-term sequelae. One of my particular concerns is multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C), a personal prejudice because I cared for one child with Kawasaki's and autopsied another.

mworden

I purposely shared an article from Fox, thinking it might be taken seriously by those readers who deplore the lamestream media. You know, like The Lancet and NEJM.

I'm sorry you had to autopsy a child. I'm sorry for anyone who has to undertake such a task. Multi-system inflammatory syndrome from covid and Kawasaki's disease are similar, serious to the point of being life-threatening and they target children.

As you state, over a thousand kids have died of covid in the USA. How many sick kids and dead kids does it take to become significant to the believers in disinformation?

I hope parents are paying attention and will consider vaccinating their young ones. Your testimony, Joe, is both heartbreaking and vitally important. Thank you.

Mike

Omicron infection appears to protect against Covid delta variant and could displace it, South Africa study finds.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/omicron-infection-appears-to-protect-against-covid-delta-variant-and-could-displace-it-south-africa-study-finds/ar-AASdiZ2

mworden

Covid Conversations with Dr. Dannenhoffer from Dec 17.

At the 4:06 minute mark he starts talking about illness and death in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated in the local area.

1. The disease is overwhelmingly among the unvaccinated.

2, He says 50% of Douglas County is vaccinated and 50% is not.

3. The unvaccinated in Douglas County are 5 to 6 times more likely to be hospitalized than the vaccinated.

4. They've looked at the deaths of those 65 and older for the last 6 weeks. There were 24 deaths.

15 deaths were among the 7000 seniors who are unvaccinated.

There were 9 deaths among the 24,000 seniors who are vaccinated.

NO deaths among the 7000-8000 seniors who were boosted.

5. In the past two weeks there's only been a single person hospitalized who was boosted.

6. Working with local people, Regeneron appears to reduce hospitalization and death by 70-90%. If you get covid, talk to your doctor about getting Regeneron, especially if you're a senior or have an underlying condition.

7. It's not clear how effective Regeneron will be with omicron. Two doses of vaccine may not provide great protection, but a third booster shot appears to increase immunity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG8I6fV8qvA

kaydee44

I appreciate your reply, Mike. I have heard some doctors talk about taking supplements of C, D3, zinc, and Quercetin for prevention of covid or for lessening the symptoms. Supposedly, zinc absorbed in the cells will repel covid from entering the cells. Zinc is not easily absorbed in fat cells...thus the Quercetin. Maybe this is why obesity is a problem with covid? Have you heard anything about this regimen being successful in deterring covid or lessening the effects of covid.

I too have heard good things about Regeneron. Is it available in this area? There was some talk of it being rationed in some areas.

Do you know how many deaths we've had from Omicron?

mworden

That post about Dr. D's comments was from me. Please listen to his talk. It's pretty good.

To my knowledge, officials don't know if Omicron is in Douglas County yet. They have to have genetic testing done. It's expensive and takes time. It took about 6 weeks to get the results back for Delta samples. Let's hope it's quicker this time.

Deaths usually follow by 2-4 weeks, so it's too early to know about deaths from Omicron. According to the NYTimes, covid cases in Oregon are up 34% in the past 2 weeks.

It has been stated that Regeneron is available at both Mercy and Evergreen. Dr. D. said to talk to your doctor about Regeneron if you're diagnosed with covid, especially if you're a senior or have underlying conditions.

Early in the pandemic, when nobody knew what worked and what didn't, doctors observed that their sickest patients had low Vitamin D and zinc levels. Giving them vitamin D and zinc did not seem to help.

It turns out that most of those patients were elderly and the older a person is the more likely they are to be deficient in those two substances, unless they take supplements. People who live in Oregon and further north usually cannot get enough vitamin D from a healthy diet.

It appears that the deficiencies were an artifact, something similar to finding that many of the elderly patients had gray hair and then attributing catching covid to the grayness of the hair.

Your doctor can run a simple blood test to discover your vitamin D levels.

If people want to take supplements, it's fine with me. As long as they don't take huge amounts, it's won't hurt them. My recalcitrant relative, who is young and prefers a junk food diet, wanted to take those same supplements and I bought them for him. I don't think they're going to ward off covid, but he has an unhealthy diet. I bought him D3, zinc, C and a multiple. If he asked for quercetin I'd get it for him.

I'd much prefer it if he was vaccinated, boosted and masked.

CitizenJoe

The vaccine in this group had a good efficacy at keeping people alive.

VE (%) = [(ARU - ARV)/ARU] x 100%, where VE=Vaccine efficacy, ARU=Attack rate unvaccinated people, ARV=Attack rate vaccinated people.

[(.002143-.000375)/.002143]---> 82.5% effective at keeping folks above ground. Keep in mind that the deaths among the vaccinated are running about ten years older than among the unvaccinated, so the actual protection level is considerably higher than this simple arithmetic indicates; further, "fully vaccinated" is soon going to have to consider booster as necessary.

In October, an unvaccinated person had *twenty* times the chance of dying of Covid-19 as a fully-vaccinated/boosted person.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status

Mike

3 more Covid DEATHS reported in Douglas County over the weekend, bringing the County total to 315 dead.

https://douglascounty-oregon.us/DocumentCenter/View/20575/12-27-21-Douglas-County-COVID-19-Seven-Day-Case-Chart

Mike

Douglas County’s 313th COVID-19 related death is a 62-year-old woman who tested positive Dec. 16 and died Dec. 23 at Mercy Medical Center.

Douglas County’s 314th COVID-19 related death is a 68-year-old woman who tested positive Dec. 8 and died Dec. 18; location of death is being confirmed.

Douglas County’s 315th COVID-19 related death is a 69-year-old man who tested positive Nov. 7 and died Dec. 22 at Mercy Medical Center.

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/ORDHS/bulletins/302d946

mworden

Three people in their 60s dead of covid over the weekend. That seems way too young to go to me.

"I call it cruel and maybe the root of all cruelty

to know what occurs but not recognize the fact." ~William Stafford

kaydee44

Thank you for sharing your links, Mike. I didn't see a relationship between vaccinated or unvaccinated on the deaths. Was there one and I missed it? Two of the three deaths had underlying conditions.

kaydee44

Just to be clear, mworden, I did not make the decision to decline the booster because of politics. I made it because many people I know have had bad reactions to the vaccine or the booster. I also made it because I became skeptical of the motives of our federal government. I listed the reasons that I believed the current administration did not have the best interests of the people at heart. You can't mandate vaccines for American workers and flood our southern border with covid carrying immigrants and say there is anything sane about those diametrically opposed policies. So it's not political. It's not a Republican/Democrat issue. I'm not a Trumper, but I did approve of many of his policies. When you see bad hombres in your neighborhood doing damage, you don't invite them for dinner to your house. It's the repeated policies of this administration that are detrimental to the nation that cause me to be very skeptical of the push for us to all be jabbed.

Statistics are a wonderful thing. And when I'm trying to make a point, I use the statistics that bolster my position. But we don't hear about the other statistics on this feed. How many have died from the vaccine? How many have suffered neurological damage? Heart damage? Reproductive damage? If you are a young person, is your greatest risk dying from covid or dying from the vaccine? These statistics are being deliberately suppressed...and labeled misinformation. However, there are increasing numbers of doctors and researchers going against the flow. We are nowhere near knowing what the ramifications of this disease or this vaccination are, imho.

mworden

Just to be clear, kaydee: I support you posting opposing views based on facts, the truth, evidence and reality or your own opinions.

When I said stop it, I meant stop posting falsehoods and lies.

melrosereader

You are kind and patient.

mworden

[unsure]I still hope talking to each other can help.[ohmy]

kaydee44

Probably listening would be helpful also. [smile]

Mike

Comprehending would be even better.

mworden

Listening is as least 50% of communication. kaydee, can you tell us more about a friend someone had from India and their medical opinions that you didn't think were relevant? What do you remember hearing? No fair looking it up. What do you remember?

kaydee44

msworden, yes, the bill was pulled within the last few days. The bill's author said it was being pulled because of "conspiracy theorists." He was talking about those people who could read the bill's text.

https://www.nationandstate.com/2021/12/22/new-york-lawmaker-pulls-public-health-detainment-bill-blames-conspiracy-theorists/

mworden

It was a dead bill that had not been acted on in over 6 years. Never got out of committee in 6 years. It had nothing to do with covid. It's dishonest to claim otherwise.

kaydee44

Whatever the motivation, covid or not covid, it was an attempt to restrict and enslave (take away the freedom) the people.

kaydee44

msworden, As long as you continue to badger everyone to get jabbed with a vaccine that is ineffective and potentially dangerous, I will continue to post an opposing view. I will not, "stop it."

You and your buddies went off on rabbit trails. I said one of the reasons that I don't trust the Biden administration and its radical push for the vaccine was because of his cancellation of the Keystone pipeline which threatens our energy resources. That was followed with a lengthy post about gas prices and jobs lost or not lost which was irrelevant to the vaccine along with the reminiscing about a friend someone had from India and their medical opinions which also did not address the claim that ivermectin has been successfully used in India against covid.

This administration's rabid push for this untested and dangerous vaccine is beyond belief in our republic. Give the people the information and allow them to make the decision for their own bodies. This is not a dictatorship, although it's beginning to look more and more like one every day.

If you have been vaccinated, what care you if I am vaccinated or not? (Which I am.) If your vaccination works, it's irrelevant to your health if I am vaccinated. But therein lies the problem, your vaccination DOES NOT work. But you would like me to get the untested and dangerous to your health vaccine for what reason again? Please clearly state the reason.

I'm not interested in what liberal fact checkers have to say. The reader can read the text of the bill themselves and decide.

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2021/a416

mworden

I've posted some stats about the vaccinated vs the unvaccinated that were released on December 22. 2021. You can read it yourself and go to the link for the full report.

You got vaccinated when it became available. it's low that a person will protect themselves then turn around and urge others not to.

COVID-19 death rates among 65+ year-old individuals are 13 times higher in the

unvaccinated population than in the fully vaccinated population.

Unvaccinated 12-34 year olds are 19 times more likely to be hospitalized than their fully vaccinated age peers.

Unvaccinated 35-64 year olds are 18 times more likely to be hospitalized than their fully vaccinated age peers.

As you say, the reader can read the stats and reports for themselves and come to their own conclusion about whether the vaccine is worthwhile. You seem to be saying that if it's less than 100% it's useless. In the meantime children's ICUs are filling up.

https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf

https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2021/12/22/most-new-covid-cases-among-children-massachusetts-rhode-island/

https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf

kaydee44

I got vaccinated when the vaccine became available. I'm old, therefore vulnerable. I knew the vaccine was relatively untested, and because of my age, I was willing to be a lab rat. I've never said the vaccine is 100% worthless.

If you remember in the early days of these articles, I pressed the NR for stats on vaccinated vs unvaccinated. I was contemplating a possible booster. However, in the meantime many problems have been reported with all three of the vaccines, as well as many doctors have advised for alternative treatments. My point is this: shouldn't we all have ALL of the relative information before we make a decision? Should our government be mandating what we put in our bodies? I started taking offense when your group started attacking the commissioner because they refused to take the tyrannical position.

And so your premise is that if you are vaccinated you are less likely to be hospitalized or die. If that is so, and you are vaccinated, why must I be vaccinated? Have you seen the outbreaks on cruise ships where the passengers claim to be fully vaccinated? I asked you to clearly state why I must be vaccinated in order to protect you, a fully vaccinated individual. I'm still waiting...

mworden

kaydee, in the past I have said several times that I was glad you were vaccinated. I agree that as an older person you are at a higher risk of catching covid and of being contagious to others.

When you said you weren't going to get the booster because you disagreed with mandates, I said I hoped you'd make your health decisions based on your medical needs instead of on politics.

How is that badgering you?

The vaccinated people most at risk are elderly. Their immunity wanes the fastest. I'm not young myself and I have dearly loved elders in their late 70s and 80s who already have health problems. But they still have good lives and come from long-lived families. I'd like to keep them around and healthy as long as possible. You, too. Your life has value.

I'm sorry you don't understand how community immunity works or how and why vaccinated people, especially elders, can still be at risk.

All the relevant info is easily available. Each week the commissioners report how many hospitalized are vaccinated or not vaccinated. Same with deaths. It's easy to find, even if the N-R doesn't always publish it. The commissioners publish it on Wednesdays sometime after noon. Last Wednesday, 18 of the 22 hospitalized local patients were not fully vaccinated.

mworden

kaydee, please stop it. You keep posting falsehoods. I am seriously worried about you getting lost in doom scrolling that's filling your mind with lies that you then pass on as truth. What you are doing is morally wrong.

In a previous thread every one of your claims was shown to be false. You didn't even have the courtesy to acknowledge that we read your posts and responded to the topics you raised. You said you changed the subject. End of discussion. Period. Very rude!

New York lawmakers are NOT voting on a bill to detain the unvaccinated. It's a concocted story taken from a tweet. In 2015, it was proposed but never acted on. That's when medical people were bringing Ebola back from Africa and some of them refused to quarantine. It never was acted on. It's not being acted on now.

Stop lying.

From Fact-Checkers:

CLAIM: New York lawmakers will vote Jan. 5 on a bill that would allow for the “indefinite detention of the unvaccinated.”

AP’S Assessment: FALSE. The claim is misrepresenting a bill, first introduced in 2015, that would allow for the temporary detention of individuals infected, or suspected of being infected, with a contagious disease during a public health emergency. The state Assembly’s health committee has no plans to take action on the bill, and its sponsor now says he will withdraw it.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-608056900163

pectrumlocalnews.com/nys/central-ny/ny-state-of-politics/2021/12/21/bill-that-fueled-conspiracy-theories-yanked-by-lawmaker

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Mike

Florida breaks another record for COVID-19 cases. The state reported 31,758 cases to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention database on Thursday. The previous high was 27,669 in August when the delta variant swept the state.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/florida-breaks-another-record-for-covid-19-cases/ar-AAS8Plj?li=BBnb7Kz

Mike

Omicron Is 80% Less Likely To Hospitalize Than Prior COVID-19 Strains, Study Finds.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/omicron-is-80percent-less-likely-to-hospitalize-than-prior-covid-19-strains-study-finds/ar-AAS3WTV?li=BBnb7Kz

CitizenJoe

Mike, that is good news if true. I think it very likely is true, but there are some caveats. The article is in pre-print and not yet peer-reviewed. The population studied is somewhat different from ours (but, of course, this would be good news, if true, for similar populations), and as the authors indicate, comparison with earlier Delta waves is complicated by current increased immunity in the population.

Finally, the odds ratio of hospitalization was 0.2--which is where your "80% Less Likely To Hospitalize" comes from, of course; but the 95% confidence interval is 0.1-0.3, so it may very well be that there is a 90% decrease in hospitalization (*great* news) or a 70% decrease (still great news).

The findings have some biologic plausibility. At least on study indicates that the virus reproduces in the upper airways and trachea about 70x faster than the original SARS-CoV-2, but much less avidly in the lower airway, so it's more infectious and less deadly.

Anyway, good news, I think. If the virus infects twice as many people and hospitalizes them at half the rate or kills them at half the rate, that's going to be a net negative, because of all the morbidity among the infected-but-not-hospitalized.

Thanks!

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.21.21268116v1

kaydee44

"English medical dissenter Sam White and his legal team on Monday presented what they claim is "significant and irrefutable evidence" of COVID-19 vaccine safety issues to London's Metropolitan Police — and a criminal investigation has now been launched."

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/fripolice-open-criminal-probe-uk-vaccine-rollout-after-medical?utm_medium=social_media&utm_source=mail_social_icon&utm_campaign=social_icons

Is it selfish to be careful, melrosereader?

Mike

Sam White reached some notoriety back in February when he was suspended by the NHS for posting a video on Twitter which was critical of NHS reliance on the not-fully-tested vaccines instead of using therapeutics such as ivermectin. White is particularly incensed that the ingredients used in the injections have never been published, which means patients have not been able to give informed consent.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/fripolice-open-criminal-probe-uk-vaccine-rollout-after-medical?fr=operanews

kaydee44

Mike, we shouldn't be using-not-fully-tested vaccines except on the very vulnerable. And shouldn't we have informed consent? Or should we just blindly follow Pied Piper off the cliff?

kaydee44

Mike, agree or disagree?

"You do not experiment on humans," White said," and consent must be freely given without coercion and include a discussion about alternative treatments such as nutraceuticals, therapeutics, and an individual's material risk of developing covid-19 or actually coming to harm from it."

Mike

Kaydee44,

There is no reason for me to continue to respond to your repeated and varied conspiracy theories that have been disproven time and time again without you once admitting you were wrong. You just jump to the next conspiracy theory which someone again proves you wrong on. Its a waste of anyone's time to debate with you. Like YOU said when YOU were again proven wrong, I'm done trying.

melrosereader

Nice chat with family who live in Rochester NY. COVID now the worst they have seen so far with NO ZERO NONE ICU beds available within 200 miles. Bear in mind Rochester has several major medical centers.

melrosereader

I have one word for the so-called freedom lovers who refuse to wear a mask and get vaccinated.

S-E-L-F-I-S-H.

kaydee44

And that's the program with the posters...down a rabbit trail. What does the legitimacy of the election have to do with the topic here?

People, look at both sides and make your choice as a result of your own critical thinking.

https://leohohmann.com/2021/12/17/whistleblower-activists-file-complaint-with-international-criminal-court-alleging-big-pharma-gates-fauci-uk-officials-committed-crimes-against-humanity/comment-page-1/

Mike

"County Vaccine Rate Hits 72.5%."

That blatant MISINFORMATION was the delivered News-Reviews front page headline yesterday. This is counter to ALL of the published information from EXPERTS that indicates Douglas County vaccination rate is barely over 50%. It is MISINFORMATION like this that causes confusion leading to increased deaths, making the News-Review a killer. But I guess that doesn't make any difference to them as long as they make the County Commissioners happy by publishing their hogwash.

Momos

Now even Trump is saying that vaccines saves lives, and the anti-vaxers are losing it. Their Dear Leader is turning on them like he does everyone else. It's fun to watch.

dljones54

Momos, President Trump (our real President) is encouraging people to get vaccinated if they choose to get it. He is pro-vaccine but anti-mandate. No one is losing it and he is not turning on anyone. You must watch CNN.....

Mike

Fringe factions of MAGA world are imploding after Trump publicly advocated for the COVID-19 vaccine.

https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-fringe-factions-erupt-anger-after-trump-backs-vaccines-2021-12

mworden

Donald Trump lost the election. Joe Biden won both the electoral college and popular vote by wide margins. Anyone who continues to support Trump's attempts to over-through the greatest democratic republic in the world by staging a coup is a traitor to the very ideas that make America great. Trump lost.

Fair dues to Trump for supporting vaccination. That's the right thing to do.

Momos

jones - Trump wasn't a real President when he was in the White House. You Trump cultists twist yourselves into pretzels trying to explain his unhinged behavior. FYI, I don't watch any news. Reading is a lot more informative. And rarely CNN. Like FOX, it's too biased for me.

kaydee44

Vaccination is a personal choice. Know the facts. Are you a person at risk from covid? What are the risks of the vaccine? Has the vaccine even been around long enough to determine the risks?

A legal filing has been brought to the International Criminal Court on behalf of the people of the UK.

Have you had a chance to read the legal filing being brought before the International Criminal Court (Dec 6, 2021) on behalf of the people of the UK?

https://hannahroselaw.co.uk/icc-complaint-uk/

excerpt page 7:

"Graphene hydroxide

Dr Andreas Noack is a German chemist and one of the EU’s top graphene experts, carbon expert and doctored in the field of activated carbon whereby for his doctoral thesis he converted graphene oxide into graphene hydroxide. Professor Dr Pablo Campra comes from the university of Almeria, and alongside Dr Andreas Noack he examined the covid ‘vaccines’ for the presence of graphene oxide with the Micro-Raman Spectroscopy, the study of frequencies. According to both doctors, the vaccines don’t contain graphene oxide but do contain graphene hydroxide. On November 23, 2021, Dr Andreas Noack released a video explaining what graphene hydroxide is and how the nano structures injected into the human body act as ‘razor blades’ inside the veins of ‘vaccine’ recipients. Dr Andreas goes on to explain how due to the nano size of the graphene oxide structures they would not show up on an autopsy as toxicologists can’t imagine that there are structures that can cut up blood vessels causing people to bleed to death on the inside so they would not be looking for them, given their atomic size."

But download the whole submission to the prosecutor. Get more than one side of the story. We've got three people who post the "vaccine is the way" view consistently here. I think it best to consider an alternate viewpoint before making up one's mind if they are in a class of people that needs to take an untested vaccine.

dljones54

Thank you, kaydee44 for all the important information. It definitely needs to be a choice because the side effects are endless and terrifying. I personally know friends and family who recently got the booster and have gotten really sick and have made trips to the ER. It's rarely talked about but herd immunity and therapeutics are going to get us out of this....not a poison.

CitizenJoe

kaydee44: No, it's not a personal choice. A person who decides not to be vaccinated increases the risk to the rest of the community. And it's a grievously selfish, self-centered decision. Which is why it's the Republican thing to do.

On a population-level, the aggregate decisions not to vaccinate wind up killing hundreds of thousands of our fellow Americans, and millions worldwide. Maybe you'll survive your infection; the odds are strongly in your favor; but those same odds determine that you are reasonably likely to kill someone downstream in that viral river.

"I've got mine, Jack," is not a moral philosophy I'd ever espouse. But, you do you.

Remind me again what you say the second commandment is. I think you forgot.

Mike

IF, capital IF, the severity of Omicron is no worse than the flu for unvaccinated people as some doctors have stated, does it make sense to import Omicron to Douglas County and allow everyone to develop antibodies by actually catching Omicron? Wouldn’t that be nature’s way of creating antibodies in everyone, especially those that are unvaccinated? This is the second time I’ve asked this question. The first time got no response.

mworden

If that's a serious question I'll respond tomorrow. I thought you were being facetious the first time you asked.

CitizenJoe

Mike: No, no, no.

TL/DR answer: No.

But don't worry about engaging in the import business. It's almost certainly here already, and it's deadly certain to be running rampant here soon. It will infect vaccinated people, yes, but to a far less degree and with far, far less morbid and mortal effect. Vaccination is safer than infection, by orders of magnitude.

The virus already has sufficient allies in this county. Please don't join them.

mworden

What CitizenJoe said. No need to import something that's already here or soon will be. The news this morning says "it's suggested" that omicron is milder, but we don't actually know the impact yet.

Look up "the law of unintended consequences" with a follow-up of Australia importing cane toads in order to naturally control beetles in the sugar cane fields. They grew fat off the beetles then turned to many other beneficial native species. That's an unintended consequence.

CitizenJoe

mworden: thanks for the discussion regarding diarrhea. (There is no button there for me to click for a response.)

I'm also grateful not to have a monopoly on logorrhea.

Cheers!

Mike

Residents of less traveled areas of Mexico and South America appear to have built up immunity to "Montezuma's Revenge" through their continued exposure. At this point, who's to say Omicron is any worse than "Montezuma's Revenge?" For the millions of reported cases, there so far hasn't been many reported deaths from Omicron in South Africa where Omicron has now existed for weeks. Maybe Omicron will prove beneficial for developing antibodies in the unvaccinated to protect them from future strains of the virus. If you KNOW otherwise, point me to the Omicron specific studies.

This conversation reminds me of months ago when I questioned the effectiveness of masks against the delta virus. I immediately got hammered and shut down by you guys even though you didn't point me to any scientific evidence at the time that masks were effective against delta. I can see why people get frustrated with people who shoot from the hip when providing advice. Especially now that most experts say cloth mask are essentially worthless against Omicron and people need to upgrade to M95 masks.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cloth-masks-useless-omicron-expert-b1980394.html

mworden

I'm game, Mike. First, I think you're mistaken in your current suggestions. But it's worth talking about because you have done such an excellent job of providing data and info that wasn't otherwise easy to access. It's my impression that many readers of the comment section look up to you and take what you say seriously. Which is good. It's just that this time, you may be off course.

First, the past mask discussion. I'm not going to look up the old discussion. My memory is that you said several times you'd been vaccinated and you were considering not wearing a mask just to protect other people who didn't get vaccinated. That's not a quote. It's what I recall. Please correct me if I recall wrong.

I'm one of the people who jumped your case. We went back and forth. Finally, you said to me (in a tone that I interpreted as frustrated or worse) something along the lines of didn't I realize that not enough people were vaccinated and you were trying to motivate them.

That's not quoted. It's the gist. I came to the conclusion you were acting as an agent provocateur in the battle to get more people to roll up their sleeves.

I can't argue with your technique at all. I interpret your goals as trying to save lives. Logic and rational discussion don't work, maybe provocation might. Kudos to you. But I could have interpreted you incorrectly. That's what I took away from a series of posts.

There were no studies at the time about the effect of vaccinated people wearing masks, just suggestions that if they had a breakthrough case they could be contagious to others. And we did know the vaccine was about 90% effective not 100%. To me, continuing to wear a mask seemed like the best, safest practice.

When I viewed your suggestions as provocations meant to save lives I still didn't like the suggestion, but I viewed your intentions as positive.

I don't know if you're really serious about importing omicron. Maybe I'll figure it out eventually.

mworden

Omicron studies: Observation and data from South Africa *suggests* that omicron is not as severe as delta and it appears that the peak has already passed.

How does that translate to Douglas County, Oregon, USA?

The median age in South Africa is 27.6 years.

Median age in Douglas County is 47.1 years.

In South Africa, 5.5 % of the population is over age 65. Five and one half percent.

In Douglas County, 26.3% of the population is over age 65.

With past variants, older people were among the majority of the severely ill and dead. We don't know how omicron will impact locally.

Looking at the demographics of the two locales, do you want to take the chance that omicron will have the same impact here as it did in South Africa's much younger population?

mworden

On to traveler's diarrhea: It is true that native residents in less traveled areas of Mexico and South America have built up a level of immunity to the bacteria, viruses and parasites that cause travelers to succumb to diarrhea and vomiting their brains out.

Population level immunity to endemic disease is not achieved in a single season or lifetime. it's a process of natural selection that takes place over multiple generations, into thousands of years.

In blunt terms, if your immune system is strong enough to fight off the infection before it kills you, you may live to reproduce offspring who inherit your strong immunity profile.

If you die from the disease because of a lack in your innate immunity, you and your children don't get to keep reproducing and your weaker immune profiles are not passed on to future generations.

It's all a throw of the dice. After many generations, the people who started out with strong immunity will have many more descendants than the ones with immunity that wasn't up to fighting the particular pathogen in question. This can take hundreds to thousands of years.

The argument for natural selection providing immunity to covid after omicron just does not apply.

But there's another reason. People desperately sick with diarrhea can be saved with a cheap, easy and simple oral rehydrating solution that gives their body a chance to recover. No such easy treatment is available for covid.

In the 1970s, it was discovered you could save lives threatened by diarrheal disease by administering an oral solution of salt and sugar in clean water. Diarrhea and vomiting can quickly kill through dehydration. Mildly ill people can rehydrate on water or other liquids, Past a certain point the liquid goes right through the body. Water won't help someone who's gone past that point.

Prior to the 1970s, saline solution was used to rehydrate people. It helped but it was not enough for the desperately ill. Without the added sugar, the fluid has a difficult time permeating the cell wall. It goes right through the person and they remain dehydrated. Hundreds of millions of people died from diarrhea over the ages.

Before the discovery of oral rehydration therapy, diarrheal disease was the number one killer of children in the world. The elderly are also at high risk. It still kills about 1.6 million children a year.

It's estimated that oral rehydration therapy has saved around 70 million lives since its introduction in the late 1970s. ORT is a simple, cheap and effective treatment for a major public health problem.*

There is no easy, simple, cheap treatment for severely ill covid patients.

*Yep, I know way too much about diarrhea for civilized conversation. But when you're hours away from civilization in a base camp you can save a life with teaspoons of rehydration fluid administered by mouth every few minutes. It's the closest thing to a miracle I've ever seen. The medical journal The Lancet has called ORT “the most important medical advance of the 20th century.” It's right up there with antibiotics and vaccines when it comes to saving lives.

https://ourworldindata.org/oral-rehydration-therapy

https://www.nature.com/articles/nrg3734

Mike

I don't agree. My experience and observations have been different.

CitizenJoe

Mike, the U.S. suffered about 3,287 Covid deaths yesterday; the seven-day daily average is just half that level. Cases and deaths are increasing sharply.

We are already conducting the "experiment" you are suggesting. Douglas County lags NYC, DC, and other population centers, but I don't think we will escape biology and math.

I hope I am wrong. I hope that eight weeks from now, you and kaydee and dljones will call me an irrational alarmist. We are currently seeing 20 new cases per day and maybe two Covid deaths/week in Douglas County. I will be surprised it those numbers do not double and redouble in the next eight weeks. If, during that time, we do not exceed seven weekly new deaths, I shall eat my words. With, uh, relish.

I'll close by pointing out that "nature’s way of creating antibodies in everyone," is the way of plagues and mass death. "Nature's way," is high maternal mortality and a 50/50 chance that a child born alive is still alive a year later.

I, for one, do not care to revisit the 14th Century, or the pre-antibiotic, pre-anesthesia era.

TJ

[thumbup]

Really?

Covid will never get under control when you have someone like the Multnomah County jail Deputy Robert J. Haney doing what scumbags do best “CHEAT”. He is another idiot who not only was supplying fake Covid vaccinations cards but bragged about it. I would wager he is a member of the GOP because lying and cheating is the standard operating procedure of this group.

TJ

[angry]

mworden

Donovan, can you or the appropriate person, update the graph that appears on-line below this article. It's been stuck at around 11,000 cases for quite a while. We now have over 14,000 recorded cases. Thanks.

Mike

Who are you going to believe, our County Commissioners who claim 72.5% of Douglas County residents age 18 and older have received at least one vaccination OR the Oregon Health Authority’s County Covid Metrics Website which indicates today that 57% of Douglas County residents age 18 and older have received at least one vaccination?

Likewise, the CDC indicates today (below link) 60.3% of Douglas County residents age 18 and older have received at least one vaccination and 50.7% of Douglas County’s total population is vaccinated. OHA numbers do not include vaccinations at VA hospitals that ARE included in CDC numbers which explains why CDC shows a higher percentage than OHA.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#county-view?list_select_state=Oregon&data-type=Vaccinations&metric=Administered_Dose1_Pop_Pct&list_select_county=41019

NOWHERE is it published that 72.5% of Douglas County residents age 18 and older have received at least one vaccination? Why would the News-Review publish such misinformation spewed by our County Commissioners as fact without providing a reliable backup source?

Mike

Below are today’s percentages of Douglas County residents age 18 and older who received at least one dose of vaccine according to our Douglas County Commissioners compared to recognized experts. The difference between the CDC and OHA percentage is the people who were vaccinated at Veteran Affair facilities which aren’t included in the OHA numbers.

County Commissioners------------------72.5%

Oregon Health Authority----------------57.0%

Center for Disease Control--------------60.3%

By falsely overstating Douglas County vaccinations, our Commissioners do an extreme disservice to county resident by providing a FALSE sense of security in their attempt to pat their selves on the back for something they have failed to advocate for. Unvaccinated residents who may have been considering vaccination for themselves or their children may now think it is no longer necessary because of the false high county vaccination rate.

CitizenJoe

Thank you Donovan. When I read the press release from the commissioners yesterday, I had some doubts, because I thought that it was likely that individuals who were vaccinated at the Roseburg VA were all counted in the numerator, irrespective of whether they lived in Douglas County. Tamara was kind enough to disabuse me of that misapprehension. She indicates that the information about county of residency is recorded in the federal data, and the numbers are assigned accordingly.

I really appreciate the updates from her, Dr Dannenhoffer and the commissioners. I do wish that the updates were more frequent, and that there were very strong exhortations toward vaccination, masking, and other appropriate measures. I think that is rather a minimal ask; commissioners really ought to have taken a lot of stronger actions that would have reduced the burden of disease and death in our county.

mworden

Thanks, Donovan. These updates are greatly appreciated.

Mike

An update that was true and didn't propagate misinformation would be even more greatly appreciated.

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