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In this file photo, Abbie Malek gestures toward pallets of donated goods at the Glide Revitalization grassroots effort at the former middle school in Glide in September. Malek has been in Washington, D.C., the past few days and was present at the Trump rally that devolved into a storming of the US Capitol building.

Glide resident Abbie Malek spent two days attending protests in Washington, D.C., including a rally Wednesday that devolved into chaos as the U.S. Capitol was stormed.

Senators and representatives went through evacuations and lockdowns after the event grew violent and the Capitol building was breached. A woman was killed during the event, and the ceremonial acceptance of the vote for President-elect Joe Biden was delayed for several hours.

But Malek said she didn’t see any violence. What she saw was peaceful protesters showing support over two days of rallies for President Donald Trump.

Like many of the thousands of people who participated in protests at the Capitol, Malek believes Trump’s claims that the election was marred by fraud. No fraud has been proven.

Malek spoke to The News-Review Wednesday from her hotel on Pennsylvania Avenue after crowds had been dispersed under an evening curfew.

Malek arrived in Washington, D.C. Monday evening, and attended a rally at the Freedom Plaza for most of the day on Tuesday.

She lined up at 5:30 a.m. Wednesday to get into the rally on the Ellipse, just south of the White House, where she would join thousands who listened to Trump and his sons speak.

It took her about five hours to get into the inner-gated area that was the closest to the stage where the rally was. As far as she could see around her, people were filling up the street she was on, the side streets, and the hillside.

“It was beyond anything I ever really imagined,” she said. “There’s just no way to really, I guess the only way you could really get a good picture of it is if you were actually in a helicopter going over it. No matter where we were you could never get the whole picture of how many people were there, because there was just so many wherever you looked,” she said.

“People were googling how many people came to the Martin Luther King, Jr. speech and just different stuff,” she said.

Trump told his supporters Wednesday he would never concede, but Malek said she never heard him incite violence.

She said for her, the whole experience was very positive.

“The last two days everyone we’ve been around has been very positive, like happy go lucky, happy to meet each other,” she said.

People stopped to talk to each other, she said.

“It’s like you’re looking at your neighbor when you’re seeing everybody here,” she said.

She said she heard chants, but everyone she saw was peaceful.

“We did see that some people were kind of starting to get up on the scaffolding and waving their flags around,” she said.

She said she did get fairly close and at one point was on the lawn in front of the Capitol.

“We never saw anyone acting violently from our view in the front,” she said.

She acknowledged seeing video of people with plastic shields breaking the windows of the Capitol.

And she caught the scent of something she thought was pepper spray or tear gas.

She said she didn’t see anyone trying to take on police but did see people making their way to the building.

“I don’t think it’s necessarily OK for people to go around breaking into anything, no matter what side of anything you’re on, whether you’re an antifa or a BLM or a Patriot or a protester or whoever you are,” she said.

While she only saw peaceful protesters, if there were protesters involved with those who broke into the Capitol she doesn’t think they should have done that.

“Unfortunately it gives the whole rest of the group a bad name,” she said.

She said she traveled all the way to Washington, D.C. because she felt it was important for people like her to show up.

“I guess I just felt like people needed to see the people who were really truly out there supporting not only the president, but what they feel like is their country basically losing the fundamental, the foundations of what it was built on, and showing up to say, ‘Hey, we don’t want to see that happen,’” she said.

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CitizenJoe

Here is what Abraham Lincoln thought about mobs:

“There is no grievance that is a fit object of redress by mob law."

Lincoln warned against “the growing disposition to substitute the wild and furious passions, in lieu of the sober judgment of Courts.”

The protesters were there on January 6th, at the specific invitation of the president, on the date at which the election was to have been certified, according to the Constitution, and the president intended for that certification and the election to be overturned. He then directed the mob at the intended target: the Congress of the United States of America. Lives were lost, and a temple of democracy was desecrated. The people assembled for this task believed some fantasy about the election, or were using the Big Lie to subvert democracy. Every person who participated in this has some responsibility. Any person who believes it was all peace and love, and thinks that they did not see Confederate flags, Auschwitz T-shirts, "Six million was not enough" T-shirts, and other hateful and racist paraphernalia is lying or was deliberately blind. And if they didn't hear Trump calling for mob action, they were deliberately deaf.

Jeremiah 5:21 ‘Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not.’

https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2021/01/15/the-party-of-lincoln-ignored-his-warnings-about-mobocracy/

CitizenJoe

I'm guessing that the MAGA-Waffen spread more disease than was spread at Woodstock:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/capitol-riot-covid-tim-gionet-trump-white-supremacist-b1784316.html

Proteger

I'm not sure what the relevance of posting links to articles about teachers and police officers losing their jobs because of their activities at the riot has to do with this article? What's the agenda? To harass, intimidate, bully, or shame a fellow community member?? Seems like Roseburg can do better than that. Peacefully, protesting for something you believe in is an American constitutional right. Something we should all recognize as commendable, even if we don't believe in the same things. Nobody is condoning the actions of the people that chose to cross the line into criminal behavior. Never a good thing to cross the line, that's for sure. I understand and recognize the upset about the ill behavior of the people that we have witnessed in the videos but that's no excuse to be angry or judgmental towards someone else that was there peacefully and wasn't a witness to that behavior. Hoping for peace for all Americans in 2021.

CitizenJoe

Proteger: you write, "Nobody is condoning the actions of the people that chose to cross the line into criminal behavior."

Uh, no. The MAGA-Waffen are proud of what they did, and promise more. Do try to keep up. They are so proud, in fact, that some of their claims, photos, and videos are being collected on dating apps! People posing as RWNJs lookin' for love are harvesting incriminating info. What fun!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/proud-boys-terror-capitol-riot-b1783996.html

CitizenJoe

I guess when cops get murdered, beaten, and threatened to be murdered with their own guns, those cops are less sympathetic towards traitors...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/police-trump-capitol-mob/2021/01/16/160ace1e-567d-11eb-a08b-f1381ef3d207_story.html

Mike

Florida teacher canned for telling students Antifa raided the Capitol disguised as Trump supporters

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/florida-teacher-canned-for-telling-students-antifa-raided-the-capitol-disguised-as-trump-supporters/ar-BB1cNson?li=BBnb7Kz

Tiger

Let's not be so quick to judge others when we were not the there.

Black Lives Matter activist charged for participation in storming of Capitol

John Sullivan, the founder of Insurgence USA and a leftist protest organizer, was charged in an 18-page criminal complaint “with one count of knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority, one count of violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds, and one count of interfering with law enforcement engaged in the lawful performance of their official duties incident to and during the commission of civil disorder,” according to the Justice Department. The complaint notes Sullivan wore a ballistics vest and gas mask when he entered the Capitol through a broken window and pushed past U.S. Capitol Police once inside. He was arrested in Utah.

www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/blm-activist-charged-participation-storming-capitol

smedleyb

Politico had this story as mostly False. But of course people like you are willing to go to great lengths to deny who is culpable.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jan/09/facebook-posts/facebook-posts-wrongly-claim-left-wing-activist-an/

CitizenJoe

smedleyb: yes. And: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2021/far-right-symbols-capitol-riot/

CitizenJoe

What smedleyb said. And further: Tiger asks us not to be quick to judge, since we were not there. Neither was Tiger, I expect, nor the writer of the article in the Washington Examiner. But we have seen the videos shot by the insurrectionists themselves, seen their messages, and those of us on Earth-1 know who the traitors are. And who the fellow-travelers and apologists are.

Mike

John Sullivan, the founder of Insurgence USA claims to be a civil rights activist from Utah and claims no affiliation with BLM. "Sullivan said he doesn't support Trump or Biden, and while he believes that that black lives matter, he is not a member of the Black Lives Matter organization."

Sullivan goes on to say his documentation disproves those who claim Antifa members dressed as Trump supporters were actually the ones who invaded the building."In my footage, clear as day, Antifa is not out there doing that." said Sullivan, who added that he is not a member of Antifa.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/florida-teacher-canned-for-telling-students-antifa-raided-the-capitol-disguised-as-trump-supporters/ar-BB1cNson?li=BBnb7Kz

CitizenJoe

Here is Petri, on healing....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/14/trump-impeachment-healing-julius-caesar/

Country Craftsman

Trump did not cause these jackasses to bust into the capital building. And those who think he should be held responsible are hypocrites. If Trump was responsible for not telling them to stop then. Kate brown and ted wheeler should be held liable for the domestic terrorist in portland. Please stop letting fear and hate control your emotions and let good since be your guide.

Mike

If Trump did NOT hold his rally, do you honestly believe there would have been a riot?

The basic test for establishing causation is the "but-for" test. President trump is liable for the capital riot and peoples deaths that would not have occurred “but-for” Presidents Trumps incendiary rally speech two hours before the riot.

CitizenJoe

Country Craftsman: bull pucky. Liz Cheney was right. Did you not watch what the president told the crowd to do?

CitizenJoe

Country Craftsman: here is a mirror for you to hold up in front of your face: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-shared-psychosis-of-donald-trump-and-his-loyalists/

melrosereader

From Congresswoman Liz Cheney (R-WY): "On January 6, 2021 a violent mob attacked the United States Capitol to obstruct the process of our democracy and stop the counting of presidential electoral votes. This insurrection caused injury, death and destruction in the most sacred space in our Republic," she said in a statement on Tuesday.

"Much more will become clear in coming days and weeks, but what we know now is enough. The President of the United States summoned this mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this attack. Everything that followed was his doing. None of this would have happened without the President. The President could have immediately and forcefully intervened to stop the violence. He did not. There has never been a greater betrayal by a President of the United States of his office and his oath to the Constitution."

"I will vote to impeach the President."

mworden

[thumbup]

Mike

[thumbup]

CitizenJoe

Good on Liz Cheney. maybe, just maybe, she is a little ticked off by Trump inciting the mob and sending them off to the Capitol with instructions: “We got to get rid of the weak congresspeople, the ones that aren’t any good, the Liz Cheneys of the world.”

Pretty danged specific.

And all of it Peace and Love.

Mike

Oregon state lawmaker who opened door for armed protesters kicked off committees, billed for damages.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/oregon-state-lawmaker-who-opened-door-for-armed-protesters-kicked-off-committees-billed-for-damages/ar-BB1cHfnk?li=BBnbfcL

CitizenJoe

Good!

CitizenJoe

Here is Scientific American on the shared psychosis of Trump and his loyalists:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-shared-psychosis-of-donald-trump-and-his-loyalists/

CitizenJoe

Here is the FBI, quoting an invitation to this gathering of peace and love:

“As of 5 January 2021, FBI Norfolk received information indicating calls for violence in response to ‘unlawful lockdowns’ to begin on 6 January 2021 in Washington. D.C.,” the document says. “An online thread discussed specific calls for violence to include stating ‘Be ready to fight. Congress needs to hear glass breaking, doors being kicked in, and blood from their BLM and Pantifa slave soldiers being spilled. Get violent. Stop calling this a march, or rally, or a protest. Go there ready for war. We get our President or we die. NOTHING else will achieve this goal.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/capitol-riot-fbi-intelligence/2021/01/12/30d12748-546b-11eb-a817-e5e7f8a406d6_story.html

I mean, who could resist such a nice invitation?

melrosereader

I have to ask: in what world can a man incite an insurrection that results in death, and not be prosecuted to the full extent of the law?

For crying out loud, Trump committed the most heinous crime that a US president has ever committed and some people are talking about letting him sail off into the sunset? This. Is. Insane. Thinking.

I also have to ask: how many of the local GOP leaders and elected officials are STILL saying that the election was rigged?

Methinks we got trouble....right here in River City.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s60hOgqLFGg

CitizenJoe

Oh, my. Even more traitors are being identified; this time, it's a "Camp Auschwi*z" guy. You may have to fill in links that have asterisks, below

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/10/politics/man-camp-auschwi*z-sweatshirt-capitol-riot-identified/index.html

https://www.timesofisrael.com/holocaust-denying-neo-naz*s-among-the-trump-supporters-who-stormed-us-capitol/

Mike

Many Capitol rioters implicated by their own social media posts

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/many-capitol-rioters-implicated-by-their-own-social-media-posts/ar-BB1cEXOy?li=BBnbfcL

It appears the Facebook page for Abbie and Kris has been shut down. Why would a Facebook page be shut down if only the "righteous truth" was being spoken? How now is the FBI going to get Abbie's information on those violent Antifa folks she claimed to have seen.

https://www.facebook.com/abbie.murphy.902

Proteger

I see that bullying is alive and well in good old Roseburg. You “Mike” seem to be the leader of the pack. I see you have nothing better to do with your time than constantly commenting on news articles as if you are all knowing. From reading the article, Abbie did not engage in the violence and was trying to give the public her first hand experience from having been there. She attended a protest for something she believes in, which is her constitutional right. She remained peaceful and had no control over the terrible choices of others that day. No more so than the peaceful protesters that marched for their beliefs for the Black Lives Matter that also resulted in violence, destruction, and loss of life. Did you denounce those protests as well? From what I have seen of Abbie around the community of Roseburg she has given her time and heart to those in need. What have you done for the community besides constantly coming on here and spouting your judgements and criticisms of multiple people in the community. Maybe it’s time for you to get off your high horse and find some new hobbies with all of the excess time that you have on your hands instead of stalking peoples social media sites. Maybe try spreading some positivity for the community of Roseburg because otherwise you’re no better than the people that engaged in violence and hatefulness at the capitol.

Mike

What happened at the Capitol was not a protest. It was a riot. It may have started out as a protest, but all meaning and significance was lost once the rioting began.

Abbie may have protested peacefully. You claim to know that. I do not. Abbie made several statements claiming she personally witnessed Antifa were the ones who led the riot. Though she was there and I wasn't, ALL of the accounts by law enforcement state exactly the opposite. I'm sorry you feel providing evidence of that is bullying.

Proteger

Please then explain what you’re trying to accomplish by sharing articles about people being implicated by their social media posts and then reporting that Abbie has shut down her Facebook and then making it seem as if the FBI is attempting to get information from her. Is this a fact or your speculation? For the better part of a week you have been monitoring her social media sites and relaying information that you have gleaned from them on this forum. Are you friends with Abbie on Facebook and has she given you permission to share them here? I don’t see in this article her mentioning Antifa so that must be from her social media postings. I’m not friends with her so I wouldn’t know. What I do know is that by you monitoring her social media sites you have gone past being a cyber troll and crossed the line into cyber stalking which by the way is a crime. Then you have used the information you have gotten to intimidate and alarm them by sharing articles of police officers being put on administrative leave. Not cool Mike. Also, in this article she said she was peaceful and didn’t witness the violence from her vantage point. I’ll take her at her word which is something you don’t seem willing to do.

Mike

Your agenda is clear. You wish to shut down and bully anyone who questions law enforcement's involvement/complicity with the riots. A quote from one of your previous comments, "I wouldn’t be very happy as a member of the police force not being supported by the school board."

mworden

Please show me where anyone has ever been indicted for visiting someone's public Facebook page several times, reposting what's written there, and commenting in a related discussion. You can't just make up laws as you go along and accuse people of breaking them. Nice try, though.

Tiger

Well said thank you,

mworden

One of these things is not like the other:

In the local paper, a lovely young woman rapturously describes her attendance and support for a murderous attempted coup to overthrow our government vs the grumpy old man who visited her public facebook page and rudely revealed what else she had to say about the murderous coup attempt.

Who's living the most indecent life, the lovely young woman or the grumpy old man? I leave that up to you to decide.

In our next thrilling episode, we'll talk about the logical fallacy of false equivalence. Oh, heck, now is good. Offering criticism of Abbie does not equal beating a capitol cop to death with a fire extinguisher or beating another one with American flags while chanting USA USA USA.

What the H is wrong with you?

Proteger

Cyber stalking and then using that information to harass or intimidate someone on a public forum is a crime, whether you are a “grumpy old man” or not. Be careful there mworden your hypocrisy is showing. You can’t pick and choose which laws you choose to follow. With all due respect “What the H is wrong with you?”

melrosereader

Probably the FBI already has their stuff.

mworden

I just watched an horrific video of the love fest in Washington D.C. A police officer was grabbed by the crowd, pulled down some steps, kicked and punched, and beaten repeatedly with a pole flying the American flag. There is no word on the officer's condition.

These traitors must be found and held to account.

We cannot remain silent out of kindness or good manners. When anyone calls this mob patriots, we must say, no, they are traitors, fascists and dangerous seditionists. Silence is a choice we cannot afford at this moment in history.

melrosereader

The policeman is okay. Shaken but okay. (I caught the statement today of the Chief of Police of DC. He was asked a specific question by a reporter about that particular officer. Dozens of officers were injured, the chief said.).

mworden

Thanks!

CitizenJoe

Oh, this is sweet: Parler, the social media darling of some in the far-right, gathered the Social Security numbers and other personal data of its users. And their GPS data. And, of course, their videos.

Now, at least 57TB of data have been scraped. Fifty-seven terabytes of peace and love for the FBI to comb through. Plus whatever else is still on the servers....

Delicious.

melrosereader

I understand that Parler was funded by the Mercers, those bastions of fake patriotism.

CitizenJoe

Yes, and others. I think Section 230 protects them a bit from content issues, but would not protect them from users who sue because their security did not protect information. It would be awful if Mercers got sued for billions.

mworden

White supremacist groups have infiltrated US law enforcement agencies in every region of the country over the last two decades, according to a new report about the ties between police and far-right vigilante groups.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/27/white-supremacists-militias-infiltrate-us-police-report

CitizenJoe

mworden: yeah, scary. Most law enforcement I've met are decent folks.

But there is some appeal for authoritarians, and we, as a society, need to be more careful about selection and training, and oversight.

By people who are more vigilant than, say, Jim Jordan.

melrosereader

Poor Gym Jordan. Looks like he's being upstaged by the Rooney new Qanon representative from Colorado.

melrosereader

A 42-year-old Capitol Police officer named Brian Sicknick survived deployment in Iraq only to have his head fatally bashed by Americans with a fire extinguisher in the U.S. Capitol.

So much for your love fest, Sweetie.

mworden

[thumbup]

Mike

Doug Jensen, the man seen chasing Black Capitol Police officer in video has been arrested and faces five federal charges. Jensen, dressed in a QAnon t-shirt, is seen chasing the unidentified officer with a mob of rioters following him. Jensen has since been let go from his job at Forrest & Associate Masonry. Company President and CEO Richard Felice told the station the company does not agree with Jensen's actions.

Those Antifa folks who rioted at the Capitol sure are sneaky, disguising their selves as QAnon. Good thing we had Glide residents on site who witnessed it and called them out for the truth.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/man-seen-chasing-black-capitol-police-officer-in-video-faces-charges/ar-BB1cD66W?li=BBnb7Kz

CitizenJoe

Mike, exactly. Most clever: wearing "Camp Auschwitz" T-shirts, "Six Million was not enough!" T-shirts, and carrying the Confederate flag of treason and slavery---that would have fooled anybody!

Mike

Two Virginia police officers placed on leave after attending Capitol riot.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/two-virginia-police-officers-placed-on-leave-after-attending-capitol-riot/ar-BB1cDaX5?ocid=Peregrine

Mike

Policing expert on Capitol rioters: ‘Some in law enforcement are part of this movement’.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/policing-expert-on-capitol-rioters-some-in-law-enforcement-are-part-of-this-movement/vi-BB1cDaNp

CitizenJoe

Police departments around the country are looking for domestic terrorists:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2021/01/09/investigating-police-rioters/

The domestic terrorists committed crimes that I cannot enumerate here, because specifying them results in my not being able to post:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/10/hang-mike-pence-twitter-stops-phrase-trending-capitol-breach

mworden

Let's see if this will post. Trump's lawyer Lin Wood has said, in so many words. that Vice President Pence behaved badly toward the president and should be placed in a cord of hemp up high. This was repeated on twitter by Trump supporters and the phrase and similar phrases have been banned because they violate rules against advocating illegal, immoral, reprehensible no-no ways to treat political opponents. In my opinion, people posting such things are not patriots. They are criminals inciting bad things. Or maybe they're foolish. Or psychopaths. Or narcissists or Ukrainian Trolls.

Hey, did anyone notice that Mike uncovered a Ukrainian Troll yesterday who was supporting the citizens against tyranny? That's probably the wackiest, most wild part of this wacky story. Why would someone in Ukraine be supporting Dallas Heard, unless it's that whole Russian/Ukrainian Troll Farm bent on disrupting America thing that intelligence sources have warned us about for the last 5 years.

As for twitter banning phrases ... How about bar associations banning lawyers? Lin Wood, Rudy et all really need to be disbarred for the things they have done that promoted the insurrection against American government.

Mike

It's sounding more an more like police departments searching for domestic won't have to go to far to find them in their own rank and file.

Mike

FOX News Personality Judge Jeanine Demands Capitol Riot 'Freaks' Stop Blaming Antifa for What They Did.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/judge-jeanine-demands-capitol-riot-freaks-stop-blaming-antifa-for-what-they-did-video/ar-BB1cClZZ?li=BBnb7Kz

dejadoodoo

A small voice of reason...which will go in-n-out of the ears of most radicalized Trumpers.

The only explanation I can come up with is that most of these folks want something from the past that is now against the laws of this country, and feel like Trump was going to facilitate a return to the "glorious" past. Regressive laws/legislation isn't likely, so I guess it's going to be bullets.

Mike

US companies are holding their employees accountable by terminating those who publicly posted about their participation in DC online. Two officers of the Seattle Police Department were placed on leave and will be fired if an investigation concludes that they were involved in the riots.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more-trump-rally-attendees-are-being-identified-after-the-us-capitol-riots-and-theyre-facing-disciplinary-actions-at-their-jobs/ar-BB1cC0HN?li=BBnb7Kz

Mike

Many of the people who stormed the Capitol have been identified already, with several off-duty cops and military members playing key roles. Off-duty and former law enforcement officers from New Hampshire, Oakland, Texas, and elsewhere all participated in the armed siege. One Metro D.C. police officer wrote on Facebook that off-duty police and members of the military who joined the riot were able to gain access to the Capitol after flashing their badges and ID cards, Politico reported. “If these people can storm the Capitol building with no regard to punishment, you have to wonder how much they abuse their powers when they put on their uniforms,” the officer wrote.

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2021/01/10254783/who-stormed-capitol-rioters-police-officers-ceo-lawyers

Mike

DC cop claims off-duty personnel were among rioters and "flashed ID badges" at on-duty colleagues.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9125611/DoJ-warns-national-secrets-stolen-mob-ransacked-Capitol-offices.html

melrosereader

Oregon U.S. Attorney Billy Williams on Thursday said Oregonians who traveled to Washington, D.C., and participated in this week’s armed insurrection at the U.S. Capitol would be prosecuted to the “fullest extent of the law” in Oregon.

https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2021/01/oregons-us-attorney-says-capitol-insurrectionists-from-state-will-be-prosecuted.html

Mike

Looking forward to seeing actions to back up that big talk.

Mike

Capitol Hill riot could prove to be COVID-19 superspreader event, experts say.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/capitol-hill-riot-could-prove-to-be-covid-19-superspreader-event-experts-say/ar-BB1cBYCm?li=BBnbcA1

CitizenJoe

Nice New Yorker article on one insurgent (and a tracker):

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/an-air-force-combat-veteran-breached-the-senate

Finally got pics of what Antifa did:

https://images.dailykos.com/images/903031/large/137292914_10224854719814591_1638395586500192139_o.jpg?1610140937

Mike

Police records shed light on those arrested in Capitol siege. An examination of police affidavits and arrest records depict a diverse cross-section of President Donald Trump's most fervent supporters -- and evidence that conspiratorial rumors about a left-wing false-flag operation are without merit. On Thursday, acting U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia Michael Sherwin said his office had already prepared more than 55 cases connected to the riots, but added, "This is just the beginning." The FBI and DC Metropolitan Police have shared hundreds of images of suspected rioters on social media channels. On Friday, MPD announced it had received over 17,000 tips. Many of the individuals arrested appear have ties to groups associated with white nationalists and right-wing militia groups, including the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers.

In the two days since the siege, right-wing social media channels have parroted the conspiracy theory that the riot was carried out by left-wing agitators masquerading as Trump supporters. But in a call with reporters Friday, Ken Kohl, the acting principal U.S. Attorney in D.C., flatly denied the premise of a false-flag operation of that nature.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/police-records-shed-light-on-those-arrested-in-capitol-siege/ar-BB1cB6Ha?li=BBnbcA1

Mike

FBI says there is "no indication" that antifa took part in U.S. Capitol riot.

Good thing Abbie and her law enforcement husband Kris are there to provide the evidence to the FBI that Antifa was the source of the Capitol insurrection, especially since they personally witnessed it their selves. Hope they kept all the pictures and recordings.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fbi-says-there-is-no-indication-that-antifa-took-part-in-us-capitol-riot/ar-BB1cAJqk?li=BBnb7Kz

CitizenJoe

Richard Barnett, who was seen sitting at a desk in Speaker Pelosi’s office, has been arrested in Arkansas and charged with entering and remaining on restricted grounds, violent entry, and theft of public property.

The people who participated in the multiple felonies on January 6 are, I think, now on the hook for felony-murder. I doubt this charge will be applied to anybody except those most proximate to the deaths that occurred. But there is a boatload of charges awaiting everybody else who participated in the attack.

A couple of years ago, the Trump administration argued that it could send American citizens charged with committing crimes on American soil to Guantánamo, and hold indefinitely without charges. I personally think that is bogus, but still.

mworden

I'm really fed up with people draping themselves in American flags and calling themselves Patriots when their goal is to disenfranchise millions of legal voters because their guy lost the election.

Biden won by 7 million popular votes and a large majority of the electoral votes. Trump lost. The states have certified the win, the courts agreed, Congress agreed, even Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham and Mike Pence agreed. Biden won.

At this point, you have to be delusional or a Fox News host or a self-serving opportunist to say and act otherwise.

Trying to disenfranchise millions of legal voters does not make you a patriot. It makes you an opponent of democracy and American values. It makes you wrong on every level, except for the level that accepts fascism and demagoguery.

CitizenJoe

mworden: watch out. FormerDemocrat, below, appears to believe that unkind words are the moral equivalent of violent insurrection.

mworden

You don't have to use my formal name, Joe. I will be glad to be known as your Catty Little Crony from here on out, especially since that name was bestowed by someone trying to engage meaningfully, with respect, empathy, humility and humanity.

FormerDem, I'm not going to fault you. You're making an effort. That's good. I've been a bit harsher than usual today because I'm so fed up with all the hypocrisy of so-called patriots. I'm very glad that Abbie stayed safe and wasn't physically hurt in the melee. But she doesn't get a free ride for her love fest. People died. It was predictable. Some exasperated words are appropriate when that happens.

In your effort to engage more meaningfully, please study logical fallacies. You'll see that you engaged in the fallacy of false equivalency. Reading between the lines, I think you just wish people would be nicer. Hope I read you right.

Sincerely Yours,

The Happy Crony

AC56

If she and her husband, a law enforcement officer, were trespassing on the lawn of the federal building which was breached they have committed a crime. They through their presence and engagement in a mob contributed to an attempted insurrection against our government. There needs to be immediate consequences for this action. Attending a rally is one thing, being in a restricted area as a mob attempted to kidnap and harm legislatures is another. This can NOT be tolerated by leaders within our community. This is no longer about party, this is about the destruction of a nation.

FormerDemocrat

Thank you, Mike, citizen joe and others for validating my sentiments regarding the evils of the media and social media. Rather than just state your opinion or genuinely try to engage in contructive dialogue, you, like so many others, can't help but make this personal by going that extra step to troll this woman on social media to further expose her and call her out for the things you don't agree with. Then you share and link that information in this forum where you and your catty little cronies can all remain relatively anonymous in your judgements and comments. Perhaps you could share your personal information and a link to your blog, facebook page, twitter account, etc, so we can level the playing field.

I am 100% in favor of honesty, freedom of speech and constructive, rational debate. Here and across social media, we often ignore these ideas because we are more interested in being heard than we are with the effects of our words.

These behaviors are harmful, serve little purpose and only further the degradation of decent society. How can we condemn the violence and harmful rhetoric on display yesterday when so many of us are complicit with our words that lack respect, empathy, humility and humanity? We all need to learn to engage in a meaningful way or not at all. I'm working on this, and I hope you will, too.

CitizenJoe

FormerDemocrat: I concur that social media are responsible for a lot of the division in our country. I do post here and on several blogs, but I don't participate on Facebook, Twitter, Insta, etc, etc--those platforms that are more commonly considered social media. But the Maleks do. Ditto Trump. To the best of my knowledge, neither of the Maleks has posted here. Allie Malek asserted that Antifa led the way into the Capitol; is it trolling to suggest she help provide evidence to the FBI so that terrorists might be prosecuted? Why would that be trolling?

Regarding "How can we condemn the violence and harmful rhetoric on display yesterday when so many of us are complicit with our words that lack respect, empathy, humility and humanity?" -- I don't think that if my words "lack respect" that that is the moral equivalent of the violence we saw at the Capitol. I think I might be permitted to condemn terrorism, even if I'm a bit unkind in doing so.

That all said: O.K.; I'm happy to take the temperature down. But when pipe bombs and rifles and nooses and gallows are one side, and less-than-empathetic words are on the other, there is a significant temperature differential.

Mike

Pretty hypocritical for a anonymous person calling their self FormerDemocrat to criticize people for posting anonymously.

Marine Vet

So Which "fine" Officer's Wife is this.? Doe's She SPEAK for him.? The Good People of Douglas County at Least Deserve a Answer to this.? And How doe's this Officer Feel about another Officer being Beaten to Death by *iQ45 Supporters.? Listening.?

CitizenJoe

Good point. Since Kris is with the Myrtle Creek police force, apparently, he really ought to get in contact with the FBI regarding Abbie's and his witnessing antifa people going through the barricades. The Maleks take a lot of pictures and are active on social media; no doubt they can provide a lot of important information to the FBI, regarding how it wasn't really Trump supporters that did this.

melrosereader

citizen joe, I am sending a link of this article to the FBI. Maybe they will reach out to the Maleks.

Really?

Abbie, two little letters for you “BS”!

CitizenJoe

Some love-fest. Beat a cop to death with a fire extinguisher, rip down and desecrate the American flag and replace it with a Trump flag. And get labeled Patriot by Trump and his children; "We love you." "You're special." And the Administration stalls the National Guard for 90 minutes, while the killing and looting and desecration continue.

Trump demanded ten years in Federal prison for tagging the outside of a building with spray paint.

CitizenJoe

OTOH, one of the terrorists reportedly, while trying to steal a portrait of Tip O'Neill, tased himself in his, uh. groin, and died of a heart attack.

As if we needed more evidence that we are living in a simulation.

smedleyb

Darwin at work!

CitizenJoe

This story was a fiction. I regret repeating it. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/capitol-riot-taser-death/

melrosereader

A police officer has died as a result of injuries sustained while suppressing the riot and insurrection that the president of the United States incited. Let. That. Sink. In.

melrosereader

So..if a man dashes out in front of a car because he is being chased down by a person who is threatening his life, and the driver of the car runs over the fleeing man, and the man later dies, who is responsible for the untimely death?

Is there a law about proximate cause?

melrosereader

If this whole thing was such a love fest, as Abbie seems to believe, then why is it that two cabinet secretaries (Transportation and Education) have resigned just today because they can no longer be associated with Trump? And why did John Kelly, Trump's former chief of staff, say yes when asked if he would support removing Trump via the 25th amendment?

Abbie's assessment is myopic.

Mike

According to Abbie and Kris Malek's facebook page, they told the News-Review that "Antifa people were in the front of the group breaching the building." To know for certaint who was breaching the Capitol, Abbie and Kris must have been right up there with them.

https://www.facebook.com/abbie.murphy.902

Mike

Abbie and Kris Malek also posted a twitter comment from people at the Capitol building saying, “The cops just let people in.”

https://twitter.com/Perpetualmaniac/status/1347019528212000768?s=04&fbclid=IwAR10kw03VRPwQlnW9eU8U4jZtMPKC4xDMxDIt43l-nmuG_YY8uMms2sVz4I

Mike

Abbie and Kris Malek posted this on their facebook page 17 hours ago from the Capitol;

“What has happened here over the last 2 days was like a love fest - and it was. I will not likely every experience in my life such a gathering as what has happened here. Yesterday, full of worship and praise- and likely thousands of souls saved - at a rally - and I got to be a part of that.”

“Every person we have passed or chatted with has been so positive and peaceful - 3 streets chock full of people singing God Bless America and the National Anthem. You will not ruin what has happened here - the biggest part of what this movement is - exhibited by real Patriots (not antifa in disguise - you can see those people a mile away versus a patriot, or dumbasses) a PEACEFUL protest.”

” And before people get on their high horses about the destruction of the nation's capital (actual done by a very small group of people) - check yourself on your response to the violent destruction and actions of other "movements" across the country in multiple cities for several months, going virtually unchecked: government, public, and private property being destroyed, people being violently attacked - FOR MONTHS.”

“And this president did NOT invite or incite this crowd to violence, quite the opposite! But of course don't take my word for it, I was only here to see and hear it. Certainly you should believe what your news tell you because they never distort the truth.”

https://www.facebook.com/abbie.murphy.902

CitizenJoe

Mike: correct. And the FBI is interested in talking to witnesses.

https://tips.fbi.gov/digitalmedia/aad18481a3e8f02

Mike

According to their facebook page, Abbie's husband Kris is a Myrtle Creek police officer. I'm sure they know how to contact the FBI with their firsthand knowledge.

CitizenJoe

Interesting. And I see the Maleks take a lot of pictures. I hope they'll be sharing pictures of Antifa with the FBI.

Mike

It's also going to be interesting to see how many of the people arrested from the capital insurgence are actually Antifa as Abbie and her husband claim.

CitizenJoe

Mike, I think the number of Antifa people inside that seditious mob was about equal to the number of Lizard People.

Mike

Saw a lot of Confederate, Trump and Maga flags inside the capital building in the pictures and videos. Didn't see any Antifa flags.

Marine Vet

So Which "fine" Officer's Wife is this.? Doe's She SPEAK for him.? The Good People of Douglas County at Least Deserve a Answer to this.? And How doe's this Officer Feel about another Officer being Beaten to Death by *iQ45 Supporters.? Listenin

OregonHusker

I'd like to hear what makes Abbie believe the election was fraudulent. Even Lou Dobbs admitted there is no evidence. Trump's lawyers didn't allege fraud in court because they knew they'd sleep in a jail cell for lying in court. All these people have is the word of Trump. Words that were dispelled one by one by Georgia's election officlals. Words that Trump used prior to his first primary back in 2016. The fraud is Trump.

CitizenJoe

The violence was foreseeable and foreseen. People pre-ordered, and wore, T-shirts reading *Civil War 6 January 2021* and T-shirts celebrating Auschwitz and *Arbeit Macht Frei* . Social media were filled with threats of violence; Abbie is active on social media, and I doubt she was ignorant of the threats.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/05/parler-telegram-violence-dc-protests/

Rise722

Be careful what you wish for....this next regime is going to be a disaster.

NJ

Thank you Rise, for admitting that Trump's time in office was nothing more than a regime.

CitizenJoe

NJ: excellent etymologic point. He was (and is) the man who would be king.

CitizenJoe

We need to be clear. Violence is what Trump wanted. He called people to D.C., promising a "wild time." He incited the riot, then left to go watch it on television. Anyone who believed they were going to D.C. for a love-fest was delusional.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/this-violent-insurrection-is-what-trump-wanted?source=EDT_NYR_EDIT_NEWSLETTER_0_imagenewsletter_Daily_ZZ&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_source=nl&utm_brand=tny&utm_mailing=TNY_Daily_010620&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd67efd24c17c10480336c7&cndid=49469031&hasha=f6c28ffd5250fbfad0c8f738966c412e&hashb=c0f069bf1c7f88ae7094ba688eece94ce4e36f62&hashc=b91402e6c9ebaba6195583c0a0f2e44993b017cb4c8e0f60c46ab366661a40fa&esrc=&utm_term=TNY_Daily

CitizenJoe

"Glide resident saw another side of protests in Washington, D.C."

As a kid in Germany in the 1950's, I got to visit Kehlsteinhaus (known as the Eagle's Nest in English). On the walls were pictures of the owner of the Eagles Nest, playing with his dog, Blondi. He loved dogs. It's important to see both sides.

Roseburgonian

people literally died there yesterday..nothing to see here haha. but for real, both sides are starting riots and causing an uproar. maybe it is time to consider that it is not the people who are in the wrong but our elected officials who seem to represent the rich instead of the many.

NJ

Care to add a link to the information about "both" sides? Your dear and fluffy had to blame something other than those he incited to terrorism. Otherwise, people would know he's nothing but a Fascist performing a coup. Let's see your information, link to it, for real.

FormerDemocrat

Dear God ...How does an eyewitness account not have more validity than a link to anything posted in the media? I admire her for making the effort to go see things for herself. I don't know her, but I recognize her name as someone who has worked and continues to work tirelessly to help the people whose lives were devastated by the Archie Creek fire. Show some respect for your fellow human being and community remember. I'm 99% certain that she and the majority of people in DC yesterday do not condone that violent behavior, nor do they blindly support Trump. There are always those bad apples right? Just like in Portland, Seattle, Kenosha...

OregonHusker

Trump's entire rally was televised. Her eyewitness account was devoid of the things she didn't want to admit. Trump. Giuliani and Trump Jr., all spouted violent rhetoric. It's on video for all to see.

melrosereader

Eye witness accounts are valid. But they are limited to the perspective of the eye witness. To get a full picture of an event, especially a complex and dynamic event, you need information from a variety of sources. That is why, for example, they created the 9/11 commission, and the one that investigated the JFK assassination.

NJ

God has no place in this, even a dear God.

Roseburgonian

Both sides are starting riots. can you not see who the real problem is? lol it is not democrats or republicans. it is the entire federal government that does not represent the people any more.

FormerDemocrat

The biggest problem in this whole mess is the media and social media. Politics (on both sides) is a close second.

melrosereader

Social media exposed the underbelly of America

I'm Here to Fact-check Mike

Nah, social media exposed how easy people are led by the nose. It's created echo chambers allowing large swaths of people with similar views to marinate in self-created confirmation bias to the point they no longer have the willingness or capacity to have a civil conversation with someone whose opinion differs from theirs.

They're being puppeteered by the @jacks, Zuckerbergs and Bezoses of the world. Sad to know people are so easily brainwashed and emptied of their ability to have tolerance, compassion and offer kindness.

NJ

Yes, both sides. Both Senators and Representatives in Congress are complicit in the false claims of a stolen election and inciting Trump supporters to riot. There is no proof that "both sides" were involved in the terrorism at our Capitol Building. There were only Fascist Domestic Terrorists taking direction from Trump.

Momos

Yeah, well maybe you brought home that mutant strain of the virus for the rest of us as a memento of your "I Got Conned and I'm Proud of It" superspreader trip. Pandemic? What pandemic? Too bad for you, grandpa.

mworden

Joe Biden won the popular vote and the electoral vote by wide margins. Donald Trump lost. His attorneys filed 60 lawsuits in various states and lost 59 of them, all the way up to the Supreme Court. Trump lost in front of right-leaning judges he appointed. His attorneys did not allege voter fraud in the the lawsuits because knowingly making such false allegations can get a lawyer disbarred. There is no evidence of voter fraud. None. There is no question. Trump lost fair and square. He's been lying to his supporters.

The sooner people face reality the better it will be for the country,

I'm glad you had a good time, Abbie, and glad you didn't get sucked into any law-breaking, even innocently. Most of all, I'm glad you stayed safe and were able to exercise your constitutionally guaranteed right to assemble and seek redress of grievances. As we all know, that right does not include violence, vandalism, breaking and entering, threatening to take hostages. Not for anyone. Not for BLM and not for Trump supporters and certainly it doesn't including Trump inciting his supporters to illegal actions. What happened in the capitol today was a disgrace to democracy.

Safe journey home, Abbie.

FormerDemocrat

mworden - I suspect we may have different political leanings, but your comment is spot on and very respectful. We need more of this. Thank You!

NJ

Glad you had a good time at the White House, Abbie. Did you miss something? I do believe you did: "In his video, Trump praised the mob, who broke into the Capitol using force, stole items from its rooms and posed for photographs in the legislative chambers. "We love you," Trump said. "You're very special." Later, he seemed to justify the actions in a tweet, writing, "These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away." Even after inciting violence, his compromised mind cannot admit that he lost the election. And no matter how many domestic terrorist Fascists try to destroy the Capitol Building that fact cannot be changed. Yes, I do believe I did just call your fellow Trump supporters Fascist domestic terrorists.

Richard Saunders

[thumbup]

dejadoodoo

yep, you did -- and justifiably at that. And to all the brainwashed radicalized Trumpers out there -- Antifa people didn't break into anything this past Wednesday.

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