COVID-19 has changed our lives in many ways over the last couple of years. I would like to suggest doing some research and reading some alternative sources of news. Did you ever wonder why it is considered misinformation to list the survival rates of COVID? I also posted that Oregon is one of five states that still has a mask mandate, which is also a fact but has been labeled as misinformation. Anytime I discuss COVID vaccine safety, that will get me banned from mainstream social media, too. Is it not odd that more vaccinated people have tested positive for omicron? Aren’t you curious why? Did you see the newest news that fact-checkers on social media are only stating their opinion, not facts? Are you not curious as to why this information is so forbidden?

Here are some more facts: I know someone who was in a coma in the hospital for two weeks from COVID and was fully vaccinated. They ran out and got the booster after being released from the hospital, which also makes me wonder what happened to natural immunity? Is this another subject that is no longer part of science? Why all of sudden is natural immunity not as good as a leaky vaccine.

As a research scientist, COVID really interested me and I started to dig into research and scientific articles and I hope you will too!

Do I know people who have had COVID and been really sick? Yes! I also have had a relative who died of influenza. I am not here to give medical advice and if you have comorbidities, yes, COVID can be very scary. Here is a little tip try and stay healthy, active and take vitamins to stay well.

The following is called the Zelenko protocol: https://vladimirzelenkomd.com/prophylaxis-protocol

Lisa Lanza

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dejadoodoo

RE: kaydee44 Dec 30, 2021 10:26am

Your experiences could lead people to wonder if our world is something other than black/white or left/right. Yep, there's a lot of middle gray areas. Trust in authority is another thing all together. It's a good thing that you use common sense with suggested medical care. My current medical advisor (a Physician's Assistant) has not inspired much confidence due to some crazy tests, and now I'm left with little choice but to ask for someone more experienced. Is it any wonder why people can't trust anymore?

kaydee44

Thank you dejadoodoo! Good luck with your medical care. I'm afraid in this area you will need it. Do your own research. It's tedious to pick through it all, but it will pay off.

kaydee44

Also dejadoodoo, I don't use Google as a search engine. Their parent company, Alphabet, has several interests in pharmaceutical companies. I use Duck Duck Go.

Tom Wingo

Even twitter and facebook now at least attempt to fact check and identify misinformation -- but the NR will publish this letter? It has received the most daily comments, so maybe clickbait for advertising data is more important than dispelling misinformation.

dejadoodoo

The "clickbait" accusation might be a little harsh -- this is a forum for discussion. Something, by the way, that our Lisa Lanza has hidden away from since providing her original thoughts; THERE is your bait.

Mike

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Mike

The News-Review has not published the last three letters I submitted to the editor but chooses to publish this misinformation. Did Facebook buy the News-Review?

Momos

And yet the unvaccinated still go to the hospital when they get sick with Covid. You know, where those lying doctors will save their lives. Hypocrites, every single one. Either you trust the real doctors or you don't.

kaydee44

Has anyone read/is anyone reading Robert Kennedy Jr.'s book "The Real Anthony Fauci." Yes, I know. All of ya regular posters here will start screaming misinformation. But the rest of you might like this jaw dropping expose on health care in our nation.

What Fauci is doing isn't working. Biden has walked away from it and says its not a Fed problem. Let's hear about other studies, other ideas, from other doctors and scientists. There's nothing to fear from information...truly.

melrosereader

Robert Kennedy Jr is a menace and has been an anti-vaxxer long before the word "anti-vaxxer" was coined. To learn more about why Kennedy is on this conspiratorial crusade, read an article published by McGill University.

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-health-pseudoscience/anti-vaccine-propaganda-robert-f-kennedy-jr

kaydee44

melroserreader, and why would I want to believe an article by McGill University which most likely gets a lot of its money through federal grants?

CitizenJoe

kaydee44: because grants go to scientists, who know a boatload more than you or I about their respective fields. And, properly speaking, the grants from that "federal" government are from the Government of Canada.

melrosereader

McGill University is in Montreal, Quebec

melrosereader

You might want to read the article because it includes facts. Hopefully that is reason enough.

smedleyb

According to US World and News McGill University is ranked #51 in Global Universities. What is your Globlal ranking kaydee44?

kaydee44

CJ and MR, if our federal funds can make it to Wuhan, China, I think they can make it to Canada, don't you.

Our federal funds are everywhere in the world. You don't have a worldwide pandemic in which you must control the narrative and think you only have to do it in your home country.

kaydee44

So I read your article. It's a typical liberal response pretty much devoid of facts but with the usual name calling...I guess because the facts won't work. I've also checked on the information that I have read in the book. Same thing. Some for the information. Some against. But those against just resort to name calling and character assassination.

So we are going into the third year of this pandemic. Fauci didn't come out and advise us to take zinc and D3. The Fauci protocol was get diagnosed, go home and isolate yourself until you can't breathe, then go to hospital, where you may end up on a ventilator, and you may die. Other doctors, real doctors, tried early intervention with covid with good results.

Follow the money. How many Americans died because doctors were denied the ability to treat covid patients with alternative methods?

Has the vaccine worked? No. After a year of not working isn't it time to look into the alternatives that have worked?

Follow the money.

melrosereader

SMH

NJ

"Zelenko is also being investigated by a federal prosecutor over his claim that a study of the drugs he promoted had won approval from the Food and Drug Administration." Note the date: https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-md-who-promoted-virus-cocktail-leaving-community-where-he-tested-it/

Those who view him on youtube are asked to read a disclaimer which states, "This video is not intended to provide assessment, diagnosis, treatment, or medical advice".

One has to ask, what is now behind these few with their sudden influx of misinformation. What's the real purpose, the end goal of promoting one doctor who pushes such dangerous misinformation? Perhaps it's one more play in the misguided attempt to disrupt, discredit, and undermine democracy through pushing lies against credible evidence, information, and transparency to keep Americans alive and free from disability.

Choose for yourself. "A study of 96,000 coronavirus patients found that the combination of hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic drug azithromycin increased the risk of death by 45 percent." It's no wonder his home community forced him to leave by exposing his dangerous lies. source: https://www.thedailybeast.com/vladimir-zelenko-controversial-doc-in-trumps-ear-calls-hydroxychloroquine-study-garbage

Explore comprehensive data on Douglas County Covid here: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#county-view?list_select_state=Oregon&data-type=Deaths&list_select_county=41019

mworden

You said: "Perhaps it's one more play in the misguided attempt to disrupt, discredit, and undermine democracy through pushing lies against credible evidence, information, and transparency to keep Americans alive and free from disability."

That has been my thought also. Thank you for stating it so well.

kaydee44

The question is: what is the misinformation and what is the truth and who is pushing what.

mworden

I'm afraid that wisdom appears to be forever beyond your ken. Stay healthy, kaydee. I do hope you reconsider the booster.

kaydee44

mworden, hahaha Fortunately it is not you that I need to render an account to.

You stay healthy!

kaydee44

I do Zelenko's protocol...not just for covid...for any virus. A couple of weeks ago I had a slight fever of 101. I haven't had a fever in years. My oxygen was down to 91. I remembered that I hadn't taken my daily dose of virus killer and quickly found it and downed it. Within six hours my temperature had returned to normal and my oxygen level rose to 98.

Seein' is believin'. And I'm a believer!

CitizenJoe

kaydee44: I'm glad you quickly recovered. But that's an anecdote. Quercetin and other flavenoids are valuable (and widely available) nutrients, and there's some biologic plausibility in re coronavirus suppression and in-vitro evidence, too. I'd suggest you go to google scholar and search there, instead of on social media.

kaydee44

Citizen Joe, I do research medical information online. I learned a few years ago to do that when a doctor, no longer in this area, decided he wanted to remove one of my husband's lungs. I later discovered that the original CAT scan showed that the "mass" in his lungs was not dense enough to be cancer. His PET scan also showed negative for cancer. But the lung biopsy they did (which he should have never had as evidenced by early tests) caused a huge lung infection, and the doctor wanted to rip out his lung.

Another doctor ordered a pain medication for him because he wretched his back going over a pot hole. It was a 90 day supply. I read online that it was a dangerous drug that could cause heart failure and NEVER to take it for more than 10 days. The same doctor ordered me a prescription for RLS and swore to me it was not an opioid or addictive. It was not an opioid, but it was very addictive as I found out from research. Our insurance company warned us a few weeks later on the danger of both of these drugs.

Just this year a doctor prescribed a "shot" for low iron. It also was dangerous and quite expensive, and was not being prescribed within the parameters of blood test results as recommended by the manufacturer...all of which I determined online. I checked with the pharmacy department connected with our insurance. He said he couldn't give me advice, but that I was "on the right track."

So I'm very careful to research what I put in my body. And I'm VERY skeptical about the agenda of some of the doctors we have had. It's one of the reasons that I am very skeptical about the covid issue. I do my research. I listen to all sides. And I remain...skeptical.

CitizenJoe

The Branch Covidian cult, represented by Lisa Lanza, Huge bbfan, and rexngail321, make unsupported claims. Meanwhile (in October), the unvaccinated population has twenty times the risk of dying of COVID-19 as do the vaccinated and boosted.

And people who go unvaccinated and unboosted will die because of misinformation. No, not all; maybe 1.5-2% will die in short order; many more will have harrowing ICU stays, intubations, amputations, strokes, renal failure*, lung and heart-lung transplants, permanent cognitive and physical impairment, and so on--and they will be among the "survival" rate Lisa says she can't post about.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status

mworden

Branch Covidians deserves a trademark.

CitizenJoe

I wish I could assert trademark. But it's not original to me. Found on Daily Kos.

mworden

"Douglas County Confirms First Case of Omicron Variant"

https://flashalert.net/id/DouglasCoGovernment

kaydee44

Raising the fear flag.....again.

mworden

It's from the commissioners' weekly report. If you think it's raising the fear flag take it up with them. You can reach Tim at Freeman@co.douglas.or.us

kaydee44

mworden, I know it's from the weekly report, but you're delivery is parallel with "the sky is falling." Most doctors say Omicron is no worse than a cold or flu.

mworden

Perhaps you didn't notice the quotation marks. It's quoted directly from the commissioners' report. I didn't add or subtract a single word. Any extra meaning is in your own mind. If you don't like the way it's written, take it up with Tim or Chris or Tom.

Tom Wingo

mworden -- you have regularly criticized the Commissioners for not providing enough information to the public about COVID and preventative measures -- and now you sick anti-vaccine people on them for providing COVID information? Presumably their response would be to provide less information...

Why would you do this?

mworden

Tom Wingo: Perhaps you missed it, but kaydee has expressed support for the commissioners and says she particularly likes Tim.

I thought they could have a friendly conversation on how the weekly reports are written.

If she's previously expressed disdain for Tim, then I agree it would be a low blow to sic her on him. But she likes him. We're all far more likely to listen openly to people we like, respect and support.

I presumed he'd give her straight-forward answers and would make it clear that the commissioners aren't "waving the fear flag" when they state facts.

Why do you presume the commissioners would respond by providing less information?

Even with all my criticism, I do believe I might have a higher opinion of the commissioners as human beings than you do.

kaydee44

mworden, apologies for saying you were raising the fear flag. I shouldn't think that I can mystically determine your motives. Sorry, sorry.

Huge bbfan

Actually covid isn't what's disrupted your lives, viruses have been around for millions of years constantly mutating and changing in its goal of surviving. What's disrupted your lives is the irrational reaction to it by people in power who see it as a means to bring you more under their tyrannical control.

You must realize that the people making these rules and mandates that put you under severe financial and mental strain haven't missed a paycheck or had Their lives disrupted in any way.

Mike

Who in Douglas County, besides the glossed over families of loved ones who died from Covid, have had their lives disrupted? Douglas County residents have received OVER $200,000,000 just from federal Paycheck Protection Program money. This doesn't include $millions in unemployment, rental supplements and other federal and state giveaways. Who actually is being disrupted and is worse off that YOU know of.

kaydee44

Oh my gosh. How many small business people have had their lives disrupted?

Mike

I ask for examples that YOU know of specifically and you just give me anecdotes. Not worth bothering to have a conversation.

dejadoodoo

It's not really a contest -- and history hasn't announced a winner yet -- but Donald Trump ordered the first country-wide stay-at-home mandate. Trump also pushed for vaccines, and the scientific/industrial community came through for us. Fighting an invisible virus isn't a walk in the park, but it doesn't have to be as difficult as many people make it out to be.

kaydee44

Donald Trump, not being in the medical field, relied on the advise of Fauci and Birx. Huuuuuge mistake. Huuuuuuge.

kaydee44

Well said, Huge bbfan.

rexngail321

The first half of Lisa's letter is true ; Try to discuss anything about Covid on line on social media and it is flagged or you are warned from Facebook police and are unable to post anything for a non disclosed amount of time. Why have I been banned 6 times in the past 8 months? Who has banned me? Why aren't people asking these questions? What are you afraid of? Certainly not your personal freedoms. I do object to the free advertising given to a third party.

CitizenJoe

OK, rexngail321: I'll ask. Why have you been banned six times in the last eight months? My guess is that it's for posting dangerous misinformation, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong. What was it you posted? And please be specific; Lisa Lanza here complains that posts are labeled misinformation or are taken down for discussing vaccine safety, or survival rates--but does not state what the specific claim was; it would not be misinformation to state the truth about either, but fraudulent claims abound.

So, please: tell us what you posted that got you banned. And where.

CitizenJoe

This letter appears to be mostly false or misleading information. While there are "research scientists" with the author's name (including LISA LANZA, MPH, RD, LDN, CLC, PhD, at Drexel U), none of them appears to be the author of this letter; Lisa Lanza of Tenmile appears to have a bachelor's degree and teach for home-schooling. I could be wrong.

The letter is clearly not the product of a "research scientist"; none of them argues by anecdote. Few of them will cite such junk science as is cited here. And all of them know enough about statistics that they will understand the mathematical *certainty* of some fully vaccinated people getting COVID-19.

The first sentence of the letter is true. The rest is mostly bunkum.

"I would like to suggest doing some research and reading some alternative sources of news," utterly betrays the author's ignorance of what "research" means. The rest of the claims are a Gish Gallop, and individually refuting them would provide yet another example of Brandolini's law.

rexngail321

The first half of Lisa's letter is true ; Try to discuss anything about Covid on line on social media and it is flagged or you are warned from Facebook police and are unable to post anything for a non disclosed amount of time. Why have I been banned 6 times in the past 8 months? Who has banned me? Why aren't people asking these questions? What are you afraid of? Certainly not your personal freedoms. I do object to the free advertising given to a third party.

Momos

How did this letter even get published? It's full of lies, misinformation, completely bogus conspiracy theories and no sources. As a bonus, they published a link to proven quackery from a Ukrainian "Doctor" who was under investigation by the DOJ for selling his bogus coronavirus "cure" that the rest of the medical world somehow missed. And yeah, he's a Trump guy, which is where le learned how to run a con. He thanks you for the free promotion.

dejadoodoo

I don't know, Lisa, most of the people in this town would probably be a little intimidated to even begin a Covid discussion with a research scientist. Tell me a little more about your background.

I noted the following statement in the link you provided: "Quercetin 500mg 1 time a day until a safe and efficacious vaccine becomes available..." Seems to me we've reached that stage. I can't recall any medical study that's proven any of the currently-available vaccines as being unsafe, although that superstition is certainly not dead. Non of the vaccines are touted as being 100% effective, so no one can argue that point. Yes, vaccinated people are still landing in the hospital, but just today our doctor said that of the 15 Covid patients she met in our hospital this past weekend, that only two were supposedly vaccinated, and they were the least ill. Mighty strong evidence to get vaccinated, don't you think?

TJ

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